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Old 12-03-2013, 09:01 AM   #5926
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^^^Nice stats. Always good to book a 950bb profit to start of the month. Look forward to see how December goes for you.

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Old 12-03-2013, 09:28 AM   #5927
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:17 AM   #5928
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Sick month wj94.

I have a question for you guys. Playground Poker in Montreal charges 5% up to $14+$1BBJ for 2/5 or higher. Foods and alcohol is fully comped. Do you think this game is beatable in the long term?
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:27 PM   #5929
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Sick month wj94.

I have a question for you guys. Playground Poker in Montreal charges 5% up to $14+$1BBJ for 2/5 or higher. Foods and alcohol is fully comped. Do you think this game is beatable in the long term?
yes, but i wouldnt be playing LAG unless there was a good reason to be
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:55 PM   #5930
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so im a college student and make about 300$ a month spending money to play poker with, would it be a good idea to just play 100$ buyins at 1$/2$ as i get the money or save up for a bankroll and go from there? As of right now im on a 4-buyin downswing and have no bankroll at all till next friday
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:28 PM   #5931
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so im a college student and make about 300$ a month spending money to play poker with, would it be a good idea to just play 100$ buyins at 1$/2$ as i get the money or save up for a bankroll and go from there? As of right now im on a 4-buyin downswing and have no bankroll at all till next friday
Might as well play 100bb deep at 1/2 and just hope you run good. I still wouldn't short stack. You can run up a roll starting real small because 1/2 is generally very soft and low variance.

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Old 12-03-2013, 03:50 PM   #5932
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Might as well play 100bb deep at 1/2 and just hope you run good. I still wouldn't short stack. You can run up a roll starting real small because 1/2 is generally very soft and low variance.

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so do 200$ buyins? i could only play once a month than instead of 3 times.... untill i build a bankroll obvioulsy
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Old 12-03-2013, 04:47 PM   #5933
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so do 200$ buyins? i could only play once a month than instead of 3 times.... untill i build a bankroll obvioulsy
Oh $300/month. I read $300/week.

Yea I guess you could just buy in short but you'll probably experience more variance.

You're probably better off just building a bankroll over the next 3-4 months, maybe playing every other week, and spending your time on 2p2 getting better away from the table.
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Old 12-03-2013, 05:00 PM   #5934
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Oh $300/month. I read $300/week.

Yea I guess you could just buy in short but you'll probably experience more variance.

You're probably better off just building a bankroll over the next 3-4 months, maybe playing every other week, and spending your time on 2p2 getting better away from the table.
This is what i was doing for a long time, read 4 books and studied about 4-5 hours a day and now I am more looking to build a bankroll and start practicing at the tables! I will probably follow your advice however, thanks!
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:40 PM   #5935
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lolled, so you min bought in for 2/5 and then ratholed?

not sure about your logic, you hate 1/2 so you buy in for 50bb but have a huge edge at 2/5 thus you buyin for 40bb?

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i hate 1/2 so i buy in for min if i play litterally like once or twice a month while waiting.

i buy in for min at 2/5 for one orbit if i dont know people at the table.

not overly complicated.
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:01 AM   #5936
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so do 200$ buyins? i could only play once a month than instead of 3 times.... untill i build a bankroll obvioulsy
No, you can play until you lose it. Big difference. Who knows, you may even run it up.

If you have recurring disposable income then the minimum you need to play IMO is just 2.5 max BIs and you take all of that with you. Two bullets and room to top up.
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:04 PM   #5937
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Just save up a bit, like 2k or so and then start playing, losing all your money is pretty devastating I know from experience. Save up 2k and play once or twice every two weeks and keep saving
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Old 12-04-2013, 01:22 PM   #5938
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A few options not said: if you have a track record of winning, u could get a backer. If not, find lower stakes through home games, bars, etc till u reach 5-7 buy ins and move up to take a 1 buy in shot at $1/2. If this is too time consuming, then save up $1k + bring 2 buy-ins to your game with the mindset of improving your play regardless of outcome. If you double up with a 7-10 buy in roll (meaning you have 200+bbs in front of u) leave and book the win or start over/chip down. Once youre over 10 buy-ins, you can bring 3 buy-ins to your game but once there is 15-20% of your roll in front of you, cash out/ chip down.
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Old 12-04-2013, 01:36 PM   #5939
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so im a college student and make about 300$ a month spending money to play poker with, would it be a good idea to just play 100$ buyins at 1$/2$ as i get the money or save up for a bankroll and go from there? As of right now im on a 4-buyin downswing and have no bankroll at all till next friday
During the time you would normally be playing poker, I would advise you to get a second job instead. If you have trouble finding a job, deliver pizzas. In addition to the $300, you should be able to make another $1000 in a month (~$15 an hour 16 hours a week for 4 weeks). At that point, you'll have $1300 to play $1/$2 NLHE. Don't buy in deep. Buy-in for $200. That's 6.5 buy-ins and if you play well, game select, look for big edges, avoid small risky edges, and don't run horribly, that should be enough to stay afloat. That's what I would recommend.
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Old 12-04-2013, 02:28 PM   #5940
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During the time you would normally be playing poker, I would advise you to get a second job instead. If you have trouble finding a job, deliver pizzas. In addition to the $300, you should be able to make another $1000 in a month (~$15 an hour 16 hours a week for 4 weeks). At that point, you'll have $1300 to play $1/$2 NLHE. Don't buy in deep. Buy-in for $200. That's 6.5 buy-ins and if you play well, game select, look for big edges, avoid small risky edges, and don't run horribly, that should be enough to stay afloat. That's what I would recommend.
this would be a good idea but i already have a job and am living in an apartment and paying rent etc which is why i can only afford to play with 300$ a month, getting a 2nd job is not an option because between homework and my 1st job I have no extra time.

Thanks for the idea tho!
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Old 12-04-2013, 02:31 PM   #5941
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I'm in the same boat, take your $300, play 1/2 - build BR to $5k and then move up and give 2/5 a shot. You lose one buy in at 2/5 knock it back down to 1/2.

You say you hate 1/2, well I think you need to dominate that before you move up....Just my humble opinion.

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Old 12-04-2013, 02:50 PM   #5942
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Played more 2/5 last month (2/5 days bolded red), pretty good start. Could have ran a little better with all-in EV but I'm not complaining. Also finally downloaded pokerjournal to keep track of hours, so here's some stats from first 100 hours:



Whats the difference between this app and "Poker Profit Tracker" ? They look the exact same to me except Poker Profit Tracker is free and that app is $12.99
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:54 PM   #5943
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getting a 2nd job is not an option because between homework and my 1st job I have no extra time.
How do you plan to play poker then if you have no extra time? I'm only suggesting you take a month of time that you would have been playing poker with a reasonable bankroll to instead BUILD a small yet manageable bankroll.
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:55 PM   #5944
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How do you plan to play poker then if you have no extra time? I'm only suggesting you take a month of time that you would have been playing poker with a reasonable bankroll to instead BUILD a small yet manageable bankroll.
Oh ok I get what you mean, that is a good idea, it's also hard to find a job that will pay 15$ an hour as a college student as well however
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:06 PM   #5945
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Oh ok I get what you mean, that is a good idea, it's also hard to find a job that will pay 15$ an hour as a college student as well however
Wait tables or tend bar IMO

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Old 12-04-2013, 04:35 PM   #5946
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Yes, or like I said, deliver pizzas. You can make decent money in tips IF you are competent, friendly, personable, and the like. It's not terribly difficult to find a job delivering pizzas, waiting tables, or bar tending. Another option is backing boxes at UPS or similar company.

Obviously, do whatever you want. I get the impression you're probably just going to take your $300 shot every month. I personally wouldn't want to be hanging on by a thread every month with basically one buy-in. There's no way you can play optimal poker not to mention the inevitable string of bad beats you'll be begging the poker gods to curse you with.

Hunker down for one month to build up some buy-ins and then if you take care of business at the table, you should be set.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:10 PM   #5947
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Yes, or like I said, deliver pizzas. You can make decent money in tips IF you are competent, friendly, personable, and the like. It's not terribly difficult to find a job delivering pizzas, waiting tables, or bar tending. Another option is backing boxes at UPS or similar company.

Obviously, do whatever you want. I get the impression you're probably just going to take your $300 shot every month. I personally wouldn't want to be hanging on by a thread every month with basically one buy-in. There's no way you can play optimal poker not to mention the inevitable string of bad beats you'll be begging the poker gods to curse you with.

Hunker down for one month to build up some buy-ins and then if you take care of business at the table, you should be set.
I had to sign in so I can be sure to chime in to this statement. I agree with what you are saying very much. I think when people are starting and have less than 1k DEDICATED poker money they are playing very scared poker and won't make good decisions.
I would save up 2k by delivering pizza/bartender/waiter and then start grinding. Even in the softest of games its easy to lose 1k over the span of a month at 1/2. And if you are not rolled then you won't play well emotionally and that stuff will compound against you.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:42 PM   #5948
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Yes, or like I said, deliver pizzas. You can make decent money in tips IF you are competent, friendly, personable, and the like. It's not terribly difficult to find a job delivering pizzas, waiting tables, or bar tending. Another option is backing boxes at UPS or similar company.

Obviously, do whatever you want. I get the impression you're probably just going to take your $300 shot every month. I personally wouldn't want to be hanging on by a thread every month with basically one buy-in. There's no way you can play optimal poker not to mention the inevitable string of bad beats you'll be begging the poker gods to curse you with.

Hunker down for one month to build up some buy-ins and then if you take care of business at the table, you should be set.

I am beyond willing to save up money for 2-3 months if i have to in order to build up a decent bankroll... i just wanted to see your guys opinions if it would be a better idea to just take a shot once a month and possibly build it up a ton faster, or build it up over a 1-3 months and than go play.... the idea of gettinhg a second job makes sense and i hadnt thought of tat tho.

Oh and btw the job im at now has potential to pick up more hours so i will most likely just do that and work 1.5x to 2x the hours for 1-3 months and have about a 1k to 2k bankroll
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:48 PM   #5949
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Yes, or like I said, deliver pizzas. You can make decent money in tips IF you are competent, friendly, personable, and the like. It's not terribly difficult to find a job delivering pizzas, waiting tables, or bar tending. Another option is backing boxes at UPS or similar company.

Obviously, do whatever you want. I get the impression you're probably just going to take your $300 shot every month. I personally wouldn't want to be hanging on by a thread every month with basically one buy-in. There's no way you can play optimal poker not to mention the inevitable string of bad beats you'll be begging the poker gods to curse you with.

Hunker down for one month to build up some buy-ins and then if you take care of business at the table, you should be set.

I am beyond willing to save up money for 2-3 months if i have to in order to build up a decent bankroll... i just wanted to see your guys opinions if it would be a better idea to just take a shot once a month and possibly build it up a ton faster, or build it up over a 1-3 months and than go play.... the idea of gettinhg a second job makes sense and i hadnt thought of tat tho.

Oh and btw the job im at now has potential to pick up more hours so i will most likely just do that and work 1.5x to 2x the hours for 1-3 months and have about a 1.5-2k bankroll
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:55 PM   #5950
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a lot of it has to do i think with how close the poker room is to you. if its a big ordeal to get there (it takes me an hour drive) then you don't want to drive up with one bullet and play scared. i wouldn't go unless i had at least 3 with me.
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