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Old 09-16-2013, 02:28 PM   #5676
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Beating Low Limit Games

Had no idea where to post this so sorry if this is the wrong place. Been playing somewhat seriously for a few years, more seriously in the past 2 and when I sit down at 1-2 tables I finally almost always feel that I am the best player. Switching between 1-2 and 2-5 right now.

I only a few months ago bought the PokerJournal app and have been tracking my sessions (big mistakes to not do this a few years ago) so I only have a limited journal of my win rate. How many hours is a big enough sample size to know you're beating 1-2? My ROI is $1705 over 70 hours for a $24.42/hour winrate, but I'm curious if that is a big enough sample size to know I am beating it?

Any suggestions, etc, thanks
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:31 PM   #5677
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Use the search function and do your own work.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:33 PM   #5678
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1000+ hours for a decent idea of win rate.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:41 PM   #5679
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:56 PM   #5680
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Use the search function and do your own work.
Wow come on guy with 4000 posts. Why waste your breath with this when you could have simply helped the fellow out with a reply? To increase your post count? It's cooler to know the knowledge and share it on a forum when someone asks than to scream at them to search. Better than boringly posting forum rules with nothing to do with the question.



EDIT: And the man even apologized first thing lmao.

You seem to be doing good. Keep it up and move up very cautiously (not necessarily now) - keep keeping track of your sessions.
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Old 09-16-2013, 09:15 PM   #5681
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Wow come on guy with 4000 posts. Why waste your breath with this when you could have simply helped the fellow out with a reply? To increase your post count? It's cooler to know the knowledge and share it on a forum when someone asks than to scream at them to search. Better than boringly posting forum rules with nothing to do with the question.



EDIT: And the man even apologized first thing lmao.

You seem to be doing good. Keep it up and move up very cautiously (not necessarily now) - keep keeping track of your sessions.
because then the same questions will be asked over and over cluttering the forum
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Old 09-16-2013, 10:12 PM   #5682
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before I beat 2/5 for 50+ an hr, and before I beat 5/10 for 75+ and hr, I beat 1/3 for $30 hr.

That was in dec/January. I am close to positive I can do $50 hr in california 1/3. I have seen one or two people post $50 hr winrates.

$30hr is easy for me and is the standard.

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Yea I would but when was the last time you played 1/3? Its so mindless and stress free and requires like no BR. Tbh Im just gonna focus on grinding 1/3 until I have about 25k for 5/T

Blew it, for sure

$50hr at 2/5 is my standard, $75 should't be too hard



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Yeah, as I said this is pretty much what I would expect from a good player, $30+ at 1-3NL and $50+ at 2-5NL. Oh and not surprised there are young players that are really good but blow through the money in various and sundry ways, but as long as you can scrape together a roll you can build back up pretty easy at lower levels and be back at 5-10 soon enough. Just have to be very responsible to not spend it again before saving up a good roll.

And, yes 1-3 is so stress free because it's loose passive, you can play your draws cheap and push your big hands, everyone is transparent and you can get away from good/not great hands when they show a ton of strength and steal when they are weak. Most 1-2 and 1-3 players may just as well turn their hands over against a good player like you.
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Old 09-18-2013, 03:19 AM   #5683
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Had no idea where to post this so sorry if this is the wrong place. Been playing somewhat seriously for a few years, more seriously in the past 2 and when I sit down at 1-2 tables I finally almost always feel that I am the best player. Switching between 1-2 and 2-5 right now.

I only a few months ago bought the PokerJournal app and have been tracking my sessions (big mistakes to not do this a few years ago) so I only have a limited journal of my win rate. How many hours is a big enough sample size to know you're beating 1-2? My ROI is $1705 over 70 hours for a $24.42/hour winrate, but I'm curious if that is a big enough sample size to know I am beating it?

Any suggestions, etc, thanks
the higher your ROI is, the less of a sample size you need. Pay attention to the slope of your graph. Once it plateaus out for a bit you should have an accurate description of your winrate

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Yeah, as I said this is pretty much what I would expect from a good player, $30+ at 1-3NL and $50+ at 2-5NL. Oh and not surprised there are young players that are really good but blow through the money in various and sundry ways, but as long as you can scrape together a roll you can build back up pretty easy at lower levels and be back at 5-10 soon enough. Just have to be very responsible to not spend it again before saving up a good roll.

And, yes 1-3 is so stress free because it's loose passive, you can play your draws cheap and push your big hands, everyone is transparent and you can get away from good/not great hands when they show a ton of strength and steal when they are weak. Most 1-2 and 1-3 players may just as well turn their hands over against a good player like you.
It's only time. Winning money at poker is easy. I'm going to probably hit the tables tomorrow

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Old 09-18-2013, 03:24 AM   #5684
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Here's a burning question, how much of that is take home?
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:14 AM   #5685
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Hey guys I play 1/3 and I have won around 4000 since I started playing this year, I am at 200hrs played and 20hr for win rate. I feel like I am definitely one of the better strictly 1/3 players in the room.

When the 2/5 regs sit down to play while waiting for seats I feel like I can hold my own against them. I played 2/5 this summer when most of the better players were in Vegas for the series and I felt pretty comfortable in the game.

So I was wondering if it would be okay to move up to 2/5 with this bankroll?

I can replenish a buyin or two a month from my income. There are a couple of reasons why I would like to do this. I think playing higher helps me build my bankroll faster if I do win. Also I feel pretty confident I can win in these games. There are just as many bad players at 2/5 than 1/3, and even some of the better players aren't that good. What do you guys think?
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:20 AM   #5686
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So I was wondering if it would be okay to move up to 2/5 with this bankroll?

I can replenish a buyin or two a month from my income. There are a couple of reasons why I would like to do this. I think playing higher helps me build my bankroll faster if I do win. Also I feel pretty confident I can win in these games. There are just as many bad players at 2/5 than 1/3, and even some of the better players aren't that good. What do you guys think?
It all depends on what you feel you are willing to risk to play 2/5. It is very possible you could lose 4 BI just due to bad variance and that could stick you down have of your bankroll even though you could be outplaying your opponents on every hand. Reall just a personal preference, but I highly recommend waiting for a bigger bankroll. I've been asking similar Q's. Since the beginning of 2013 I built my roll up from scratch and at about 9000. I've been dying to play 2/5 but I'm trying to wait until 10000, even though many have recommended waiting for higher. Just a personal risk/reward question.
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Old 09-18-2013, 08:38 AM   #5687
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Had no idea where to post this so sorry if this is the wrong place. Been playing somewhat seriously for a few years, more seriously in the past 2 and when I sit down at 1-2 tables I finally almost always feel that I am the best player. Switching between 1-2 and 2-5 right now.

I only a few months ago bought the PokerJournal app and have been tracking my sessions (big mistakes to not do this a few years ago) so I only have a limited journal of my win rate. How many hours is a big enough sample size to know you're beating 1-2? My ROI is $1705 over 70 hours for a $24.42/hour winrate, but I'm curious if that is a big enough sample size to know I am beating it?

Any suggestions, etc, thanks
70 hours is really not a huge sample size. It is recommended that you play a 1000 hours at your current level to make sure you are a winning player at that level and by a good rate. "Good rate" is defined by what you want to target as your win rate based on expenses or usage of those funds. Moving up is hard to do, but if you plan on moving up, I would suggest additional hours.

Also, the information people are giving you at target bankroll numbers is very important. Of course, if you are only a recreational player and have alternative means of income, it all depends on how much risk you are willing to take. Someone had said that $10000 is a good starting point, but in fact, I would say that is for 1/2. At 2/5, that is only 20 buy-ins and some live players have experienced downswings that exceed that amount. And these are good winning players, so variance must play a role in what you'll be willing to risk.

Lastly, if you do take a stab at it, and your results prove less than what you are expecting, there is no shame in moving back down, both to minimize the losses and to help rebuild your roll. Be willing to be flexible, and understand that variance will happen. If you really are a winning player at 1/2, then start studying 2/5 as it plays differently and there are better players at each level you move up. So it may take some time to start feeling comfortable, but be willing to embrace the variance. Good luck.
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Old 09-22-2013, 05:30 AM   #5688
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What up! My winrate has gone up somehow at low stakes (1-2 and 1-3 with less than 800-100 buyin).



This is the last year or so.
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:00 AM   #5689
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Nice numbers Sol!

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Old 10-01-2013, 02:55 PM   #5690
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Did a quick overview of my 1/3 NL numbers so far this year, and here's a sobering fact:

43% of my winnings to date in 2013 have come in just 4 sessions of the 44 overall (i.e. 9%, with wins of 739bb, 533bb, 497bb and 483bb).

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Old 10-01-2013, 03:10 PM   #5691
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Still on my best streak ever, haven't lost in 24 sessions....100% winrate obviously sustainable. 9/28 and 9/30 were close calls with only two tables going and limited action/stacks for the most part, had to grind my way back...

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Old 10-01-2013, 03:15 PM   #5692
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Great job wj94
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:33 PM   #5693
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Wow, nice W!

Remind me not to invite you into me and Ava's first-to-20-in-a-row-gets/loses-an-avatar prop bet.

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Old 10-01-2013, 03:43 PM   #5694
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Did a quick overview of my 1/3 NL numbers so far this year, and here's a sobering fact:

43% of my winnings to date in 2013 have come in just 4 sessions of the 44 overall (i.e. 9%, with wins of 739bb, 533bb, 497bb and 483bb).

Gum,yeahG
An hourly breakdown to date this year:

For 38:25 (i.e. those 4 monster winning sessions), I've run at $175.86/hr (58.6 bb/hr).

For the remaining 349:45 (i.e. the remaining 40 sessions), I've run at a pedestrian $25.64/hr (8.5 bb/hr).

And yet thanks to those 9% of crushing sessions, my overall this year is $40.51//hr (13.5 bb/hr).

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Old 10-01-2013, 03:54 PM   #5695
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Lol 24 sessions is insane.

GG I was just at 6 but blew it and then some last session
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Old 10-01-2013, 04:43 PM   #5696
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Old 10-01-2013, 04:45 PM   #5697
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Lol 24 sessions is insane.

GG I was just at 6 but blew it and then some last session
I'm currently sitting at 1. Can't seem to get past 2 lately, and haven't gone past 5 since the streak ended.

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Old 10-01-2013, 04:47 PM   #5698
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F u all!
For those who are unaware, a winning poker session is one where you leave the session with more than you started with. Some debate whether this is possible, but I've heard stories that sound credible.

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Old 10-01-2013, 04:49 PM   #5699
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Lol 24 sessions is insane.
Yeah, that is impressive. My best is 9 or 10 in a row.

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