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Old 09-12-2013, 11:38 AM   #5651
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Not wanting to "drop down in stakes" is a huge leak imo.

It demonstrates ego which is probably the biggest killer of most grinders that actually had a chance.

I still sit in a 1/2 game if it looks good enough.
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:54 AM   #5652
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I play in a room that has a solid player pool at 1/2. The 2/5 does not run every night and even when one table gets going it can be a "bad" game.

A number of times I have sat 1/2 rather than play in the 2/5. I get notified by many of the 1/2 players and the floor that "the 2/5 is running at table XX" like I am not aware or something. I just make up excuses ranging from "I can't play for long tonight" or "I just want to relax tonight" etc.

I know that winrates over $30/hour are attainable in the right 1/2 games. I don't categorize myself as a "1/2" or a "2/5" player. In fact I routinely tell people I am not a poker player. I am a guy who enjoys playing poker. Every night I hear people saying "so and so is in the 1/2 game tonight. He is a 2/5 player." And they are right. So many of these guys come to 1/2 and play terribly. I will never be that guy. Period.

My winrate at 1/2 over the last 275 hours of live play? $27/hour. Nothing wrong with that.
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:20 PM   #5653
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I just make up excuses ranging from "I can't play for long tonight" or "I just want to relax tonight" etc.

My winrate at 1/2 over the last 275 hours of live play? $27/hour. Nothing wrong with that.
Exactly. Don't feel the need to make excuses. I'd just say, "I like this game". That's what it boils down to. Limon has made the point many times that it's a mistake to try to JUST be a 10/20 player or 2/5 player or whatever. He emphasizes finding the best GAME. And, he has learned and played a ton of games to try to be able to do that as much as possible. I personally only enjoy NLHE and poker is not my primary source of income, so I don't go that far, but if I have the bankroll to play in a higher game and it's good, why not? Otherwise, there's no shame in 1/2 or any game you're playing for that matter.
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Old 09-12-2013, 02:20 PM   #5654
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If you seriously come even close to losing 2k @ 1/2 then something is up with your game or mindset. Not sure what style you play, but perhaps nit it up for a while to reduce variance, at least until your confidence returns. It sucks man. I'm only just coming off a 1.5month breakeven stretch, while that's nothing compared to you obv I know my confidence was destroyed and it took a really good session for me to realise that nothing had changed, I was just running like ****. GL in the future man, keep your head up and keep making the good plays.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. 150 hours of 1/2 begins today.

As for your losing 2k at 1/2 comment, I think people vastly underestimate the amount of variance at lol live pokers. I'm not just some dude walking into a poker room with no knowledge of the game. I use odds oracle, have subscriptions to 2 training sites, and think about the game constantly. I don't rely on poker to live and have separate life/poker rolls. I mean, I don't know a better scenario that would result in success and I've been getting destroyed.
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Old 09-12-2013, 02:20 PM   #5655
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35 buyin downswing and counting. Someone just please tell me that it will end at some point
Nope, it will never end... NEVER!!!


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Old 09-12-2013, 02:27 PM   #5656
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My winrate at 1/2 over the last 275 hours of live play? $27/hour. Nothing wrong with that.
That's a "better than good" win rate, but the sample size is too small for statistical relevance. Look at your win rate t 1000 + hours.
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:28 PM   #5657
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That's a "better than good" win rate, but the sample size is too small for statistical relevance. Look at your win rate t 1000 + hours.
I have breakfasts with a small group of winning players who contend that I play well but also seem to be more fortunate than the rest of them. And they are somewhat serious about this.

I say without a doubt that the presence of some absolutely awful players makes up at least $10/hour of my winrate this year. Then add at least $10/hour short term error and I could truly be a $7/hour winner for all I know. Having intelligent advice on this site plus the experience I have gained convinces me I would never want to play for a living. It would be a living hell for me.
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:31 PM   #5658
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Not wanting to "drop down in stakes" is a huge leak imo.

It demonstrates ego which is probably the biggest killer of most grinders that actually had a chance.

I still sit in a 1/2 game if it looks good enough.
Could not agree more with all of this. I have a buddy who won big when he jumped to 5/T; is now in an epic swong which leads me to believe he really was just on a mega heater. Told him to move down to 2/5; grind it out; get head straight,; etc. and he responds with a straight face "but I'm a 5/T player" That kind of thinking is ******ed IMO.
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:48 PM   #5659
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Played my first 100 hours at 2-3-5 since moving up at the start of August.
Initial impression: The play is similar to 1/2/3 except there are more aggro/bluffy players. The regs are about as bad but make less very bad preflop mistakes and are a bit bluffier. The number of decent to good or confirmed good players is about twice as high, which means that there's still not very many of them.
Squeezing works wonders.

Anyway, results have been pretty good.
Quick question: What app is this? I like it.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:08 PM   #5660
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:13 PM   #5661
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out of curiousity.

for 200 hours winning 5k at 1/2 is that big amount? or is that nothing out of ordinary?
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:18 PM   #5662
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its a big amount but just going off what ive read on 2p2, its attainable at the right tables
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:20 PM   #5663
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Losing ten 100bb buyins isn't that out of the ordinary.
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:28 PM   #5664
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out of curiousity.

for 200 hours winning 5k at 1/2 is that big amount? or is that nothing out of ordinary?
That is a high winrate for 1/2
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:38 PM   #5665
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i got 5.3k in 200hours wondering how much of it is variance or how sustainable it is. obv hard to say but if its an insane number obv variance.
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:44 PM   #5666
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10bb/hr is generally accepted as about as high of a winrate that is sustainable. Then again it depends on how fast the losers are losing and how much money they have to lose. NJ keep it up.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:02 AM   #5667
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Just crossed 200 hours today. This is about 70% 1/3NL 20% 2/5NL and 10% 1/2NL


EDIT: Added graph to show the swings.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:07 AM   #5668
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snap that program looks good
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:20 PM   #5669
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Just crossed 200 hours today. This is about 70% 1/3NL 20% 2/5NL and 10% 1/2NL


EDIT: Added graph to show the swings.
What app is that? Haven't seen that one before
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:34 PM   #5670
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LOL, a prettier graphic is all it takes to garner attention.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:34 PM   #5671
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The app is called RunGood. It's great except that it's missing std deviation statistics.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:51 PM   #5672
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Really? That's like 50bb/100h or something. I know live winrates are effing massive, but is a WR that high sustainable?
before I beat 2/5 for 50+ an hr, and before I beat 5/10 for 75+ and hr, I beat 1/3 for $30 hr.

That was in dec/January. I am close to positive I can do $50 hr in california 1/3. I have seen one or two people post $50 hr winrates.
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$30-$65 at 1/3......You've got to be kidding me with this range of numbers
$30hr is easy for me and is the standard.
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Why? Seems reasonable to me.
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I think $30+/hour is reasonable, especially if the 1/3 game plays deep.

as far as $65/hour goes, I think anyone good enough to crush deep 1/3 for $65/hour would just move up to 2/5.
Yea I would but when was the last time you played 1/3? Its so mindless and stress free and requires like no BR. Tbh Im just gonna focus on grinding 1/3 until I have about 25k for 5/T
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Yeah, I was just giving a range of what's possible. There's quite a few 1-2NL guys making $20+/hr and 2-5 guys at $50+/hr. 1-3NL especially deep(200+ BB buyin) should be able to almost double 1-2 rate(keeping in mind you have to be good too- you don't just sit down and get handed $40/hr).

I also doubt there's any superstars staying at 1-3 to make $65/hr unless they just piss away their bankroll on ballin', bitches, pits, etc. Most guys that good should really be at 5-10 or 2-5 at the very least.
Blew it, for sure

$50hr at 2/5 is my standard, $75 should't be too hard

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LOL, a prettier graphic is all it takes to garner attention.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:58 PM   #5673
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I'm missing about two weeks of 1/3 and various other low stakes games. Some of my data was corrupted I guess. Dates should start at 19 dec. I think I am short about 10k, but most of it is from 1/3 and maybe 1k from 5/T
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:01 PM   #5674
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Here's a burning question, how much of that is take home?
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:13 PM   #5675
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Every poker app on android looks like it.was created right when android was brand new.

I've been waiting for an android dev to actually make a quality tracking app that.is better then using Google drive which is free
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