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Old 08-18-2013, 10:56 AM   #5576
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that graph makes me want to drive to casino. nice
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:43 AM   #5577
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Old 08-21-2013, 07:28 PM   #5578
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late to the 1000 hr party cause I don't play enough....

my 2/5 results for this year -








overall though I've logged about 2300 hours @ 2/5 and am at $44/hr.

so I think I've picked up a few things in my game between last year and this year. I've also run pretty good and have played between probably two of the better rooms on the east coast, so w/r is probably inflated a bit
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:20 PM   #5579
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I wouldn't describe a game where people don't fold as tough.

Let me put it this way, when I first transitioned to live, I was betting awesome scare cards, squeezing in great spots, 3!'ing light in good spots as well. Every time Id get called down.

Id triple barrel Q55AK and get called by JJ and be like wtf gramps has a soul read on me. No, he's just been getting 92o for the past hour and he's not folding a top pp dammit.

At first I was like what the hell this game sucks, these people never fold. Then it hit me. These people NEVER fold, this is the greatest game ever played.

Obviously as I already stated I'm speaking in exaggerated terms for effect, but not much, especially 1/2.

Your no max game plays differently, stacks are much deeper and some of your villains are competent, so obviously you can actually play some poker.

Play the reg 1/2 at your room when you get a chance and you'll see what I mean. I cold 4! the other day and jammed a 338 flop and got called by KQhh (one h on flop). I hadn't played a hand in an hour. Seriously.
I lol'd like 3 times reading this. The bold is my favorite because I thought the EXACT same thing transitioning from FTP to LOLB&M. Now I just vbet the **** out of every monster. Most of the time I'll overbet massively and get paid off. Example (this happened 2 days ago):

Villain (UTG) $300: mid 50's nit. Fit or fold, but he's getting antsy cuz he hasn't had a hand in a while.

Me (CO) $925: crushing Saturday night drunks

My hand: 55

UTG limps, MP limps, I raise to $10 (set value, and these idiots are never ever 3betting so I have nothing to worry about), folds to UTG who calls, MP calls

Pot = ~$30
Flop: A75
UTG donks for $10, MP calls, I raise to $40, UTG calls, MP folds

Pot = ~$120
Turn: K
UTG checks, I bet $150, UTG calls

Pot = ~$420
River: 7
UTG checks, SHIP IT, he says "well **** it, I know I'm beat, but I call" (my favorite line ever)
Tables AJo

This is why the games will never die.....
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:04 AM   #5580
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late to the 1000 hr party cause I don't play enough....

my 2/5 results for this year -








overall though I've logged about 2300 hours @ 2/5 and am at $44/hr.

so I think I've picked up a few things in my game between last year and this year. I've also run pretty good and have played between probably two of the better rooms on the east coast, so w/r is probably inflated a bit


Very nice sample size....Florida? Any PLO or 100% nlh?
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:36 AM   #5581
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Just clipped 800 hours since beginning 2012



Breakdown ~250 hours 2/5 NL...still at $65/hr
~25 hours 5/10 NL
~350 hours 1/2/5 PLO-PLO8 rotation...highest hourly by BB
~75 hours 5/5 PLO
~100 hours 1/2 NL-lowest hourly by BB...lol
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:12 AM   #5582
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Sigh, I guess I need to bite the bullet and learn PLO. I mean I know the basics and can hold my own in a mixed game, but yea.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:35 AM   #5583
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Sigh, I guess I need to bite the bullet and learn PLO. I mean I know the basics and can hold my own in a mixed game, but yea.
Yea it was so much easier to learn when you could play a ton of hands at low stakes on line. I actually think it is is kinda hard to play live unless you are extremely well rolled. I mean 1/2 PLO plays significantly bigger than 2/5 NLHE so there needs to be an entry point somewhere.

I played a TON of 1/2 (5) PLO (where 5 was the min bring-in) at Venetian this summer. Straddles were 10 OTB. I mean this is more or less a 5/10 game in spite of the 1/2 label. Hard to sit that game with 2-300 and have anything but a short stack strategy.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:43 AM   #5584
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Sigh, I guess I need to bite the bullet and learn PLO. I mean I know the basics and can hold my own in a mixed game, but yea.
I play PLO when it runs in my room. 1/2 with 5 bring in. I'm also in the process of playing more O8 and Big "O"(O8 with 5 hole cards instead of 4). Both are very fun and profitable because there idiots calling with ANY low lol!
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:59 PM   #5585
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I played a TON of 1/2 (5) PLO (where 5 was the min bring-in) at Venetian this summer. Straddles were 10 OTB. I mean this is more or less a 5/10 game in spite of the 1/2 label. Hard to sit that game with 2-300 and have anything but a short stack strategy.
Absolutely loved that game. But yea, it really plays more like a $5/10 game. $1k max buy-in. I always loved when someone would wander over with like $200-$300, and ask, "is this the 1/2 plo game?" with a look of confusion/intimidation at all of the massive stacks at the table.

Then they would proceed to sit down anyways and punt off their stack in 30 minutes.
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:58 PM   #5586
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The funny part is that players actually think it's positive EV to intimidate these new players with short stacks.

You want new players in these games, ldo.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:19 AM   #5587
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Guys, I need some information please, I apologize if you already talked about this case.
I am planning to play some live games at the Star in Sydney but it looks like it is very hard to make a profit. I am not talking about the competition but the Casino charges are too high.
There is a 10% rake capped to $10 and there is a time charge of $5/hour.
Now if I start playing 1/2NL (I understand I can play higher but I need to build a bankroll) and lets say I have an average bb/hour of 8. I would make $16/hour, taking out time charge is only $11/hour. In Sydney $11 is half of min wage. To make a good hourly rate that is worth the trouble I should make 13-15bb/hour = $21-25/hour taking out the time charge of $5.
Is 15bb/hour at 1/2NL hard to maintain? Is the game beatable with this high rake and time charges?
I am asking this questions so I know if I should stick to online instead giving Live Poker a shot.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:24 AM   #5588
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Oh my god, $10 rake AND time? That's disgusting lol

I'm not sure it's even possible to "build" a bankroll at 1/2 paying that much juice.

I'd play 1/2 for experience and jump to 2/5 when I felt ready regardless of my actual bankroll. Even if you could beat the 1/2 game it'd be for no more than $10/hr if you were god's gift to poker, and trying to "build" a roll out of that would just take forever.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:29 AM   #5589
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Thanks DK Barrel for the reply. Yes, I will follow your advice. I think I'll play 1/2 to get experience until I am confident enough to play higher stakes. The rake is just too high to play profitable long term. Unfortunately Sydney is a very expensive city.
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Old 08-27-2013, 05:34 PM   #5590
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Thank you Revvv for asking this. The Local game where i play is a 2/2 and has 10% Rake cap to 10€ and Max Buy in 400.
I don´t know if the game is worth playing it, What do you think guys? What is the expect winrate for a winning player in such a game? Should i continue to play it or it´s better to go back to online poker?
I think in such a raked game a good player can average max 12-15/hour and when i think that:
- i can´t put more than 4-5 hour per session due to job issues
-i need every session 10€ for fuel, 6€ for a bottle water and 2-3 € for tipp
- i´m a good tag, but not one of the best player in the room. also my Hourlyrate can be lesser than 12-15 in the long run.


I don´t know, should i continue to play such a game?
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Old 08-27-2013, 08:33 PM   #5591
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It'll be very tough to beat for more than $20/hr depending on average BI.
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Old 08-28-2013, 02:38 AM   #5592
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That boy running hot. +42k with plenty of time left top crack 50k congrats my dude you are official.
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Old 08-28-2013, 04:32 AM   #5593
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played for the first time live 1/2 a couple days ago. Went ok at first but then I got it in JJ pre vs two others which I covered and lost to AK and then I sort of tilted and just made some pretty bad decisions. Only lost my initial bi of 100$ but I think it was more of the nerves than anything. I never even handled live poker chips so my chips were all different sized stacks and everything, and was throwing out bets like a noob, and I think everyone at the table could tell i was a live fish. Overall though I think I can become a winner at the game and I'm fortunate enough to live like 15 mins away from the casino so gonna try again this weekend. If not prob gonna give up live poker for a while, but I feel that after my initial experience I feel a lot more confident and prepared since I mostly know how things work.
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Old 08-28-2013, 04:39 AM   #5594
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It'll be very tough to beat for more than $20/hr depending on average BI.
The Game is a 10 handed and There are always 2-3 Deep Stacks, 2-3 with 100 BB and 2-3 Short stacks. I think 20/Hour is unrealistic with such a rake.
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:23 AM   #5595
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played for the first time live 1/2 a couple days ago. Went ok at first but then I got it in JJ pre vs two others which I covered and lost to AK and then I sort of tilted and just made some pretty bad decisions. Only lost my initial bi of 100$ but I think it was more of the nerves than anything. I never even handled live poker chips so my chips were all different sized stacks and everything, and was throwing out bets like a noob, and I think everyone at the table could tell i was a live fish. Overall though I think I can become a winner at the game and I'm fortunate enough to live like 15 mins away from the casino so gonna try again this weekend. If not prob gonna give up live poker for a while, but I feel that after my initial experience I feel a lot more confident and prepared since I mostly know how things work.
Until you are really comfortable with the practical aspects, just play super nitty tight. Like really, you could just play the top 5 hands, and just get used to the flow of the game, pay attention to other players.

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Old 08-28-2013, 08:20 PM   #5596
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pay attention
This is the key aspect. Pay attention to every hand when you aren't in it. You'll get the feel of it in no time. Cash games is nothing like online.
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Old 08-29-2013, 02:34 PM   #5597
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Brag: Currently running at $44.53/hr this year at live 1/3 NL over ~340 hours = 14.84bb/hr.
Beat: None.
Variance: None.

Lol, I knew I was running good this year but didn't realize I was running *that* good.

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Old 08-29-2013, 09:32 PM   #5598
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More boom switch IMO
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:11 PM   #5599
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Wtf, the chat thread is closed? What happened? Cliffs on long weekend? Or do I really have to read thru mega pages worth of posts?

*hijacks the winrate thread, takes it hostage, ransom demands soon to follow*

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Old 09-03-2013, 12:17 PM   #5600
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Looks like dhcg or whatever is looking to call out his backer and the mods temp locked it.
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