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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 7.04%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 8.45%
5-7.5
7 9.86%
7.5-10
15 21.13%
10+
22 30.99%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
16 22.54%

07-30-2013 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipperyAces
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I will answer part 1 of your question.

If you don't know weather or not you suck you most likely suck. When you have a large edge on a game you can actually taste it. You know how to adjust and play against just about every player at the table. You play position - Iso limpers - c-bet good flops and barrel good turn cards...You are forcing your opponents to react to you. The list goes on and on.

As a general rule I have found that people that are not sure weather they are "good or not" do not have positional awareness and have many fundamental flaws in their game...as well as NO GAME PLAN for when they are in a hand (every hand is kind of an adventure)

That being said in about 1000 hours you will know for sure weather or not you suck...possibly sooner if you suck really bad
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07-30-2013 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipperyAces
1) How without all the nifty acronyms/stats offered when you play online with the fancy tools do you determine if you suck? or if you just need to wait it out?
Track results religiously, take mental notes of specific hands which have questions on and post them for feedback. IME, it's better to post marginal value hands, as they'll be better at identifying potential leaks you may not know about.

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2) I live in colorado where we can't play no-limit but instead have to play these 100$ spread games. I enjoy playing the 2/5 100 Spread and sometimes Ill play the 1/2 100 Spread. Given I imagine the Spread rolls should be lower the NL at the same levels given it can play like limit later in the hand what do you recommend they should be?
I have no idea.
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07-30-2013 , 12:38 PM
Yea, squid is right. If you're questioning whether or not you can beat a certain table/stake, you are probably a long term loser.

This is especially true at the $1/2 and $1/3 level, where you should be the best player at your table all the time.
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07-30-2013 , 01:14 PM
Hey guys. Living in Vegas and planning to grind 30-40 hrs per week. My monthly nut is abt 1500 (can be whittled down to abt 1200 if I live very spartan) with a passive income of 1100/mo. So, poker only needs to net me abt 400/month or $2-3/hr based on my expected volume. Life roll and poker roll are one in the same...abt $8800 right now.

Only 20 hrs in so far. Expect 200 by end of aug. started tracking with poker journal. Can't wait to see what the avgs look like as the hours mount.

Ps. I'm playing 1/2 at V and buying in for $200 initially for now. Will prob start buying in for $300 as I get more comfortable.
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07-30-2013 , 02:07 PM
Sounds like it would be rather easy for you.
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07-30-2013 , 02:33 PM
TeamKB. Keep your eyes open and game select. Not only just tables, but which room you play in and what hours you go. Some room/time combos are MUCH more profitable than others.
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07-30-2013 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
TeamKB. Keep your eyes open and game select. Not only just tables, but which room you play in and what hours you go. Some room/time combos are MUCH more profitable than others.
is there a way to find out these room/time combos other than brute trial and error?
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07-30-2013 , 03:56 PM
look for when there are more games and when people are drinking

Also big tournies for fish are your friend
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07-30-2013 , 04:05 PM
You really don't have to do much given how low your monthly nut is.

Just work on your game and that alone is sufficient.
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07-30-2013 , 04:07 PM
I track my Live Poker stats on my phone using the Poker Income app... here's my results for this year, considering all cash games and tournaments played..

$8,807 Profit
$31.98 an hour
$111.48 a session
275 hours and 21 minutes played
64% Cashed (51/79)
$1751 in tips/meals spent (this is a rough estimate, but I am a good tipper, as this is at local underground card-rooms)

Game Types by profit
$ 480 playing texas holdem tourneys
-$ 400 Omaha 8 PL
$6,881 2/5 NL = $47.00 hr
$1,846 1/2 NL = $16.78 hr


As my game has gravitated toward 2/5 I have noticed that I am not as successful at 1/2 anymore (mostly due to opening my range and not taking it as seriously.. over confident that I can out-play my opponent)


The month of July hasn't been a great one as I am down about $450... The "card-room" I am up about $6,700 at isn't meeting as much regularly and it has effected my win rate.

There isn't a casino here and I play in underground card rooms, which can take a very steep rake (for 2/5 I believe it is 5% with a cap at $30).

I think I may have been overconfident because I was playing older guys who own restaurants and the sort (i.e. don't care as much about money and will call you down with any Ax)

I was trying to break into a game which plays deeper than my bankroll (i.e. most buy in for 1K, but I am more around 400-500) This game is scattered with agressive players, but it seems very beatable.

Crushing the game with the forementioned restaurant owner / Donks has made me develop some bad habbits and was wondering what everyone has done when they feel they aren't playing their best poker?

As far as my studying goes.. I read Dan Harrington's Vol 1 series (well about 75% of it)

I bought Phill Gordon's little gold book, but didn't read too much of it. It was more about hand combinations which I liked, but lent it to a friend and never got it back... it seemed more geared toward online poker too...

I have also recently signed up for Bart Hanson's sight seatopenpoker.net

I enjoy the pod-casts and watching the live-poker, however, I don't seem to be gaining too much knowledge from it other than being entertained as most of the limits are 5-5 and up, played at the Bike Casino in LA and it is mostly just his general thoughts on plays....

Anyone have any suggestions on what I can do to work on my LIVE Poker? Part of my problem maybe the small sample size of hours... Recently I have been able to play poker 3 or 4 times a week rather than 1 or 2 (i.e. bought the wife an I-pad and she now understands I can make regular money at this and it isn't just gambling) I think given learning my new compettion at the new games and just playing more hours has leveled out my results.... Therefore it is time to get back to work and study the game with more dicipline, or give it up and just play when I want to have fun...

What is the best place to study LIVE cash games 2-5 and 1-2 in your opinion?


Sorry for the long-post...

Last edited by Grindhog Day; 07-30-2013 at 04:16 PM.
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07-30-2013 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamKB
is there a way to find out these room/time combos other than brute trial and error?
You can ask other players, but they don't have too much incentive to tell you. If you're a good player they shouldn't want you in their game, if they *DO* want to play against you it's probably because you're easy money.

Trial and error is the easiest way. Look for alcohol at the table, loud and happy players, big stacks and big bets. It also gets you out and about and alleviates some of the 'grind' feeling by playing in different venues.
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07-30-2013 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamKB

Ps. I'm playing 1/2 at V and buying in for $200 initially for now. Will prob start buying in for $300 as I get more comfortable.
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is there a way to find out these room/time combos other than brute trial and error?
I play full time and feel that the games at the v as a general rule are some of the highest quality in vegas. It is the largest room spreading the most games...etc etc. I have a pal that plays 1/2 at PH and have sweat his action there and must say for 1/2 nlh those games are top notch. You should check out all of the rooms though and see for yourself.

I Play full time at the v day/swing 2/5. Currently on vaca but back in town thurs. Stop by and say hi. I'll do my best to give you the lay of the land. I have long hair and wear a black hat when I play. I have been described by more than one as a "buff hippy" so I should not be too hard to spot

good luck
Walt
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07-30-2013 , 04:24 PM
Grindhog,

The best place to study is here. Post/respond to HH in the llsnl forum and you'll quickly realize who the competent posters are.

2+2 is my sole source of poker knowledge. I am interested in reading some of Tommy Angelo's stuff on the mental game of poker but that's more so for leisure reading.

Good PG&C threads to follow:

"Fogo's Grindtime live"

"11t's 30k bankroll rebuild challenge"

"Not Afraid of the Nosebleeds! Adventures of a shot taking llsnl grinder"

"Flint Tropics Style... I am going semi pro"

Good PG&C threads (that are old) to read from start to finish:

"Another Kid Another Dream" (warning this is long and you will be addicted)

"I just quit my 6 figure job to play poker"
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07-30-2013 , 04:28 PM
Best place to start is here, but this isn't the best place for learning continuation.

To beat the game? 2+2 is plenty. More? Not so much.
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07-30-2013 , 04:30 PM
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Grindhog,

2+2 is my sole source of poker knowledge.
Thanks for the direction..... I will check out those threads... Here I was thinking I should get a book or training videos, etc.. duh just use this site more efficently!
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07-30-2013 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Grindhog Day
Thanks for the direction..... I will check out those threads... Here I was thinking I should get a book or training videos, etc.. duh just use this site more efficently!
I won't let Avarita get away with too much modesty. You can learn a ton from stalking his posts.
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07-30-2013 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
I play full time and feel that the games at the v as a general rule are some of the highest quality in vegas. It is the largest room spreading the most games...etc etc. I have a pal that plays 1/2 at PH and have sweat his action there and must say for 1/2 nlh those games are top notch. You should check out all of the rooms though and see for yourself.

I Play full time at the v day/swing 2/5. Currently on vaca but back in town thurs. Stop by and say hi. I'll do my best to give you the lay of the land. I have long hair and wear a black hat when I play. I have been described by more than one as a "buff hippy" so I should not be too hard to spot

good luck
Walt
sounds good. ill be there playing 1/2. i usually get there around 1pm and stay til 8 or 9. so, ill keep an eye out for you. thanks.
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08-01-2013 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
Track results religiously, take mental notes of specific hands which have questions on and post them for feedback. IME, it's better to post marginal value hands, as they'll be better at identifying potential leaks you may not know about.
thanks. where should I be posting these hands for feedback? should i be starting threads per hand or should i just be posting in a specific thread?
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08-01-2013 , 05:13 PM
Post one had per thread, and only one hand per session unless you've hit a couple of really interesting spots. Don't post results in the OP. Give villain reads and relevant history, stack sizes, position. Usually it's sufficient to post the pre-flop action and the flop texture.
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08-01-2013 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CBorders
According to Tony Bigcharles you should be playing 2/4 seven card stud.


Is there a reason why you post under this account and bef99hwk account and have a picture of Tony Bigcharles as your profile pic?
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08-02-2013 , 04:13 PM
Some data for those looking for 1000+ hr winrates:

This is all 1-2 NL Holdem at my local cardroom. Max buy-in is $500, average buy-in is ~$220. 75%-80% of my play is weeknights since I work most Fri/Sat nights. Largest downswing is $1415 over two sessions (sessions 60-61 on graph 2).

Rake is $5+$1, plus $1 tip for pots that get that big.

Since I started tracking, 1600+ hrs (approx 4 yrs):



The last 1000 hours, approx 2 yrs:

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08-02-2013 , 04:33 PM
Nice graphs buddah.

GcanadiangamesconfirmedeasyG
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08-02-2013 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GrinningBuddha
Some data for those looking for 1000+ hr winrates:

This is all 1-2 NL Holdem at my local cardroom. Max buy-in is $500, average buy-in is ~$220. 75%-80% of my play is weeknights since I work most Fri/Sat nights. Largest downswing is $1415 over two sessions (sessions 60-61 on graph 2).

Rake is $5+$1, plus $1 tip for pots that get that big.

Since I started tracking, 1600+ hrs (approx 4 yrs):



The last 1000 hours, approx 2 yrs:

nice. what is the name of the app? I'd like to start doing that.
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08-02-2013 , 06:33 PM
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nice. what is the name of the app? I'd like to start doing that.
The one and only Poker Journal. By far the most I've paid for an app and 100% worth the $12.
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08-02-2013 , 07:16 PM
Does your room not have higher stakes? Not saying $500 1/2 isn't awesome, just curious
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