Buying in short and playing is alot more +EV then buying in full and only playing a lesser amount of time

I'm not sure it is. Most players at 1/2 are frankly staggeringly bad and by buying in short you are capping your win rate. Say you have a roll of 1k$us, then buying in a couple of times for 200$ is definitely the way to go.

You may easily run good, flop a few big hands and spin your stack up. Furthermore as commented the variance of buying in short is off the scale. People like to see flops in 1/2 (and 2/5 and 1/3 etc etc!). Too often you will go 4 ways to the flop and end up getting it in with a marginal holding because there is so much money in the middle and you have so little back. You will lose a lot of these all ins.

Also as you sit with more the rake becomes much less of a factor. If there is a jackpot in the game and they rake 10% cap 5 then 6$ will be going out of nearly every pot you win. If that pot is 4 times bigger then the same amount will still be coming out of the pot.

Its awesome saying all in when playing cash LOL

Geeze I just dont think Im good enough to be a deepstack live player yet. BUt Im not sure why I think like this. Maybe like I said above, im getting comfortable with the admission being $60 and could last 10 secs or 5 hours. Start making the admission $200 might take me out of my comfort zone

I can try the deepstack thing but everyone here looks at the REWARD PART OF THIS, but I LOOK AT THE RISK PART OF THIS. YEa I might not win $200 but Im not mad when I win only $50 or $60 or lose it

UGG GOT TO GET OFF THIS MONEY THING, they are just weapons at my disposal. I do know at some point if I want to try these mega long sessions Im going to have to become a good deepstack player.

Im on ice till Weds anyway but after I get a few feel good sessions, I might go for the deepstack buy in, bet the regs jaws will drop

200 isn't deep stack. It's just normal cash game poker.

Also you need to stop seeing what you are buying in with as an admission. It's the wrong mentality. We came to win; it's not a theme park.

The second time getting stacked for $200ish is a bit easier than the first time. Assuming they're both suckouts and you got it in with the best of it.

It's all relative. The first time u get sucked out on in a 2k pot (£ not $ so 3k$) is a urgh moment but you get used to playing with more money. It's impossible to play if you are worried too much about losing, especially when for most of your opponents it will be a fairly trivial sum of money.

Short stacking tickles me. When I shipped into the DOC at a camp in Stokes county back in 1982 I had $20 and a radio. I lost my money pretty quick and sold my radio to one guy and pawned it to another to get back in the game. I was shipping out two days later so it was even money I'd get jammed up if I lost it all.

Won about $75 and got my radio back. Won the next night too. Took my winnings to the next camp, where I was on work release and bought the poker game there.

Never been without a roll since and I still have the radio. It still plays. General Electric.

Scared money never wins. The only place where shortstacking made sense was back in the online days when you could buy in short to a dozen tables. There is no place for it in llsnl.

Been playing live since black Friday....started about 10 to 20 hours a week, now play 20 to 30 hours a week....mostly 1-2 now almost all deep tables 500 buy in...though I tend to buy in for less (unless there is a whale then I cap off fast)

I probably play a lower variance style then a lot of 2+2ers seem too...(smaller pre flop raises, play very nitty in multi way pots, which I play a lot of do to the smaller pre flop raises, few big river bluffs...small buy in's in very aggressive tables...less 3 bets then I should, love to play reg fests though still enjoy a few big whales

my worst down swing was about $1400 in about 3 weeks...and my tilting defiantly contributed heavily two it... but it did kick me in the ass to work a lot on my mental game, which I think was well worth the $1400

my longest breakeven was about 2 month...I prolonged it a bit by cutting down hours of play...watched lots of poker videos and read a ton instead using the time revamp my game...

I know it's an illusion, but it seems when I go card dead for a week or two (something I handle very well now), the damn just seems to break one day...and the cards flood my way.

My longest b/e stretch was 800 hrs. I've had a few 1000bb downswings during the 3500 hr sample I have.

I ran probably about as bad as is humanly possible and broke even over 400 hours and lost like 15/18 sessions in one streak. Some poor play and bad Hero calls here and there but nothing that would lead me to think that my winning play before/after the break even streak somehow failed during it.

I would consider it to be a statistical outlier occurrence of running bad.

My largest downswing this year in about 400 hours of poker is around 7BI. I have a winrate at $11 hour (6+1 rake is a killer). I have had 3 downswings this year, 6BI, 6BI, and 7BI, so you have have swings live, just don't worry about it and continue to play your A game.

Make sure you aren't tilted going into play when in a rut, it just makes it worse...

I have just pulled out of that very same streak. 3-15 over 18 sessions. Like you said, made a few bad hero's here and there, but I really didn't play any different over this period. Def messed with my head a good bit.

Wow that is some steep rake! I play at a 5+1 and it reeeeeaally sucks. Tilting is actually one of the easiest things for me to control when it comes to poker. When I feel it creep in, which is pretty rarely, I snap leave. Guess I'm lucky how easy it is for me. I've heard the horror stories of tilt lol

No offense but I'm simply going to assume I'm much much better than you are so like you going 3-15 has no real correlation to me going 3-15.

I say that because I've never read any of your posts etc... and do not mean it as an insult. All you can do is work harder and play better. Downswings make poker players or break poker players imo but with the # hands and the high winrates/low std dev you might not take a big DS for years.

Had 6 straight sessions at 1/2 and 2/5 where I lost 2BI's per session in April. Took a break, studied, posted hands, talked with friends about strategy, etc.... Been on a 16BI upswing over the last 12 sessions (all winning sessions). Bottom line, if you get your mind right and stay focused on each individual hand as it comes (NOT YOUR WINRATE) everything will balance out and you'll be back on track. Good luck.

I started off 2012 with a 13-7-1 streak over 138.83 hours at 1/3 NL for a mere $300 profit ($2.16/hr = 0.72 bb/hr).

Shortly afterwards, I went on a 32-3 streak over 355.3 hours for $16,846 ($47.39/hr = 15.8 bb/hr).

All playing within the same player pool and more-or-less utilizing the same playing style.

**** happens.

FWIW, I'm sitting at 121-43-1 in live 1/3 NL (73.3%), but I wouldn't consider myself a TAG.

GinbeforemovedtoWinratethreadG

This. Short stack limits 90% of your arsenal. Build your bankroll out of the cardroom until you have 4 bi's or so if you have money coming in monthly.

10k hands?
july so far.
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i think some might be in for a bloody surprise

People seem to struggle with this concept but

THERE IS NO MAGIC NUMBER

I know uncertainty in life makes some people uncomfortable but there it is. The bigger the number the more sure you can be it is accurate. If that idea is difficult trying to quantify it is unlikely to help because your "feel" for big numbers and accuracy rates is also likely to be bad.

Focus on playing better and playing more and **** the rest.

2013 so far - 172 sessions, 124 winning, 72%. Biggest downswing = $2,896, but that did include one session of 5/10 which was -$1,000. Biggest downswing in 2012 was $4,010 over 8 sessions (6 at 1/2 and 2 at 2/5), which sucked. It happens.

need to bench mark that in bb and not $ if you are mixing it up

combining 500000000000000000x thread to this provides no answers

somehow every year i go to vegas i see the same $400 stackers at the 5/10, namely this tiny little **** named john w. who shortbuys up and down the strip all day everyday....somehow he makes enough to stick around.

Or has another stream of income...400$ on 5/10 is lolz

Ok so I'm on a 7 game downswing. Haven't been playing bad but have been consistently card dead with the few good hands I've gotten either getting no action or have been cracked. I've run 2 positive games in the last 7 with them both being only slightly positive. The total $$ down is only like $1100 but I'm very competitive and hate losing so its more about not dominating the easy money than the financial loss.

So do you guys usually just try to play through it or take a short break? I usually play like 2-3 games a week at 1/2 an 2/5. All home games here in SC and I'm def in the top 2 players skill wise in my player pool. I feel like I haven't really tilted but the bad beats by crappy players have started to annoy me. Would you just tell me to chill out and play my game or what?

Thanks for any replies. I'm pretty much just steaming off here.