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Old 05-09-2013, 03:51 AM   #4951
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when I moved up to 5/10 and crush you make so much an hour that laziness kicks in and in turn my volume declined.

blah its just so easy to print monies at 5/10, you just gotta put the volume and effort in yo
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:58 PM   #4952
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Lol easy to print money when you have money ldo.

Takes money to make money, you not doing nothing special DHCG, 5/10 is not some magical level. People are still terrible at that level.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:59 PM   #4953
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Quit hating on dhcg.

We already know his background, no need to keep dwelling on it.

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Old 05-09-2013, 01:01 PM   #4954
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I'm not hating on him. He comes in here like "easy to print monies at 5/10" like he doing something special.

That is all.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:29 PM   #4955
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Is a winrate north of $40 still possible in Vegas 2-5 games for the top 20% or so of players (all players)?
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:49 PM   #4956
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Still runnin good at my 1/2 game.
I'm pretty convinced I play in the best 1/2 game ever.

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Old 05-09-2013, 03:54 PM   #4957
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Is a winrate north of $40 still possible in Vegas 2-5 games for the top 20% or so of players (all players)?
20% is a big range...
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:24 PM   #4958
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Is a winrate north of $40 still possible in Vegas 2-5 games for the top 20% or so of players (all players)?
I would wager there is no way in hell 20% of the players (in terms of man hours played) are winning $40/hr+.
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:43 PM   #4959
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Agreed 20% is probably too big -- what about 5%?
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:47 PM   #4960
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I'm not hating on him. He comes in here like "easy to print monies at 5/10" like he doing something special.

That is all.
Are you printing money in your 5-10 game?
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:52 PM   #4961
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Agreed 20% is probably too big -- what about 5%?
Yes, I can say with confidence.
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:01 PM   #4962
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Yes, I can say with confidence.
Awesome -- thank you.
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:13 PM   #4963
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sup fellas, first time posting here.

jw what is the longest breakeven stretch you had live?
Mine is happening right now, started back in April 2012, so about 13 months and counting. It's been brutal. I only play about 350 hours per year and I was running WAY hot prior to this break-even streak (like $80/hr at 3/5NL for 100 hours) so it's really just mean reversion normalization with a bit of run bad in there (and let's be honest - probably a good amount of frustration spew as well)
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:27 PM   #4964
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Finally was able to consolidate all my poker log excel spreadsheets dating back to my college days in NOLA with my PokerIncome iPhone app results to get some combined results for my casino action (no online results included):

Date Range (Feb 2006 to Present)
Total Profit: +$47,849
Total Hours: 1,954 (279 hrs/yr avg)
Hourly Win Rate: $24.48/hr

I was able to play more hours while in college (and before married) during 2006 and 2007 but once I graduated and got a real job it's been more like a profitable hobby. I'd say about 30% of these hours were at 1/2 at Harrah's New Orleans/LV, 60% were at 2/5 or 3/5, and 10% at 1/1 or 1/2 home games. This makes calculating a long term bb/hr rate more difficult since my stats from 2006-2010 aren't tagged with the blinds structure played (fail, I know but I was just started to track results).

Also I've been on the longest break-even streak of my life since April 2012 which is why I've been spending more of my "real" job work hours on this site to try to study my way out of this terribad run.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:23 PM   #4965
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Agreed 20% is probably too big -- what about 5%?
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Yes, I can say with confidence.
so you are saying that 1 in 20 players playing 2/5 nl texas style holdem in a poker room at any given time is knocking back 40+/hr

My retort is no. I know most skilled playerz in las vegas at that level and I promise the number is significantly lower. Top dudes are knocking back over 50 but its a handful of dudes
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:26 PM   #4966
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I was kind of referring to the top 5% of winners.

I guess I read the question incorrectly.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:35 PM   #4967
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figured such thats why I wanted to define terms...there are quite a few abc type pros winning 20-30/hr - nut peddling to tourists etc. But a very select few that truly pound the game (IMHO) I consider pounding 9+bb/hr. Our OP picked a number that is greater than abc yet smaller than pounding which is kind of interesting
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Old 05-09-2013, 07:10 PM   #4968
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Lol easy to print money when you have money ldo.

Takes money to make money, you not doing nothing special DHCG, 5/10 is not some magical level. People are still terrible at that level.
Cali speaks truths here
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Old 05-12-2013, 06:41 AM   #4969
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I now have a comfortable bankroll for playing 1/2! Woooooooooot! Uploading an avatar.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:02 PM   #4970
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Routine brag post:





All UK since mid 2012.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:19 PM   #4971
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Nice brag Sol.

Couple questions. How "regish" are your games? What are the stakes? is your common game 5/10 or is it even higher? (pretty sure I see you post 10/20 hands itt...just curious)

I'm making the jump to 2/5 in the next few months (hopefully)

As I always have my eyes on the step after the step, I'm already eyeing the 5/10 game my room runs. But it is the same 10-15 people every fri/sat night. They also do a 10/25 with like the exact same 9 people. If you had to guess, with no description whatsoever, what would your thoughts be on a single big table such as this? In ho-dunkville. Few asians, few OMCs, few business types, and a few drug dealer types.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:34 PM   #4972
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Games condition vary wildly, so it's hard to say, but the 5/10 games are rarely super soft overall, usually just 1-2 whales. That said only 3-4 regs actually give you any trouble, and even then they don't go out of their way to do it, just to balance and pick on you if you go too out of line isolating the whale and so on.

About 3/8ths of it is 1/2 1/3, 3/8ths is 2/5 or similar, and the remaining quarter is 5/10+.

You really have to watch the action a bit to really know. Generally though, with your description it can't be too tough of a game. It sounds good.

Generally my game when whale's not in it has a bunch of regs that aren't bad, a few nits, and old men spots who limp/call a bit wide and passive and don't vbet well, but otherwise don't give away chunks of money.

Being able to play well vs regs is a huge part of a high winrate... that said it's not necessary to win in those games. Play to your strengths, I guess. There are often 1/2 and 2/5 games that offer better winrates than 5/10.

My hourly at 5/10 can fluctuate anywhere between 50/hour to 500~ or more.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:05 AM   #4973
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Congrats on winning 100k that's pretty sick!
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:39 AM   #4974
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Nice brag Sol.

Couple questions. How "regish" are your games? What are the stakes? is your common game 5/10 or is it even higher? (pretty sure I see you post 10/20 hands itt...just curious)

I'm making the jump to 2/5 in the next few months (hopefully)

As I always have my eyes on the step after the step, I'm already eyeing the 5/10 game my room runs. But it is the same 10-15 people every fri/sat night. They also do a 10/25 with like the exact same 9 people. If you had to guess, with no description whatsoever, what would your thoughts be on a single big table such as this? In ho-dunkville. Few asians, few OMCs, few business types, and a few drug dealer types.
OFC he will never say games are really juicy, but if anyone can make 200k in a year games are obviously very good. I can guarantee they are much much better than australia, as he could not get out of here fast enough. And the games here are very very beatable.

Also congrats on the win.
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:18 PM   #4975
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Anyone that uses Poker Journal know why my chart doesn't start at $0?

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