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Old 04-24-2013, 06:26 PM   #4851
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bank roll mgt questions ...

trying to make the transition from recreational to pro i have a full time job and a self renewing ability to play with 500$ available every 2 weeks... ive evolved alot lately but have questions on how to proceed a good example is this week i take 200$ a single 1/2 buy in and over two nights turn it into 950$ profit ... my girlfriend is one of my obsticles im trying to over come she doesnt get it ... i hand over everything and she sends me next day with 200$ ... how many successful pros are ever showing up with one single BI ? and what should i be taking ? 1?2? maybe 2.5 BI's ?
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:28 PM   #4852
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:29 PM   #4853
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Re: bank roll mgt questions ...

until your girlfriend gets it, you're just going to be a rec player.

i hardly ever go with just one buyin. usually 2-3, sometimes more, but i don't think having a limit of 2 BI loss is a bad idea.

you're never allowing yourself to build a roll if you keep handing over all winnings to the GF. set up a bank account if you have to and deposit on the way home ... give her some of the winnings if you must, but keep the rest secret.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:30 PM   #4854
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Oh and to answer your question before they lock you.
0 pros bring one bullet.
I would bring atleast 5 (@ 1-2)
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:30 PM   #4855
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500 is a good start, 1k hours is pretty reliable imo. But games are always changing, also inflation and dollar values go down by the day.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:04 PM   #4856
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Re: bank roll mgt questions ...

I take 4 BI's
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:35 PM   #4857
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Just Dont tell your girl about your poker roll EVER.... And When she asks how your night went just say it was fine... Whether u won or lost....(seriously)
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:42 PM   #4858
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Oh and to answer your question before they lock you.
0 pros bring one bullet.
I would bring atleast 5 (@ 1-2)
why would they lock ? this is a discussion for winning strats at live low ...no ?
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:49 PM   #4859
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Always take more than 1. If you get it in with AA pre and someone sucks out on you, you have to go home.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:06 PM   #4860
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Always take more than 1. If you get it in with AA pre and someone sucks out on you, you have to go home.
Totally agree, but only if you can mentally and emotionally handle this and continue to play your best game. If you think you might be tilted slightly, go home and come back fresh.

I'm dealing with a GF who I love very much but really doesn't get it. I've gotten to the point where I just avoid talking about it altogether whenever possible. Might not be the all around best solution....but it works....for now
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:15 PM   #4861
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Re: bank roll mgt questions ...

Listen. You have to do everything possible to explain to her how playing poker professionally works. There is no way you are going to make it if you five all your winning to your GF. If she still doesn't get it after a LONG, SINCERE, HEARTFELT talk about what you are doing, then I'm sorry buddy, but you have to get a new girlfriend, if you REALLY want to go pro.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:27 PM   #4862
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Re: bank roll mgt questions ...

Search the bankroll thread and/or post there.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:09 PM   #4863
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re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Is this where we blog about our winrates?

Just started playing this month after a 2 year break from poker (since black friday).
Played nl100/200 6max and nl100/200/400/some600 HU on FTP for a modest winrate.

Decided to give 1/2/2 a try for pretty much my first time at a casino.
Found a bunch of leaks during my first 100 hours, but have also run quite bad.

-$132 over 99.5 hours. Still optimistic; have run much worse before. (And this is like 4000 hands?)

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Old 04-24-2013, 11:18 PM   #4864
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Foldstein,

I can't/won't play $100 max games in LA anymore. The rake makes the game practically unbeatable no matter how bad the players are.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:19 PM   #4865
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Is this where we blog about our winrates?
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Found a bunch of leaks during my first 100 hours, but have also run quite bad.
Biggest leaks for online players to live is not dumbing down play. You really have to ****** your play to be profitable at llsnl. Just remember that there is no fold equity, value town the piss out of calling stations, etc.

In other words be more nittish and bet/fold until the cows come home.

Also, stay focused...which is easier said than done for online players playing live. Live reads (dynamic driven more than actual eating oreo reads driven) are something I ignored at first but have proven quite useful over time.

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-$132 over 99.5 hours. Still optimistic; have run much worse before. (And this is like 4000 hands?)
I mean honestly that's not horrible. You are tracking and you are even, so you are above 80% of the posters in this forum I'd say.

A good estimate of hands per hour is 30...though it can be a bit higher as I believe one of our mods tracked it a few months back for some time and got some surprising results.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:28 PM   #4866
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Foldstein,

I can't/won't play $100 max games in LA anymore. The rake makes the game practically unbeatable no matter how bad the players are.
What about buying in for a 100$ like 2/3 game at the bike.

I play 1/3 at morongo I buyin for a 100$ and crush. But if you can buy in for more that's obviously better.

Do you play hg/cc 3/5? That game is just enough to beat the rake.
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:16 AM   #4867
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re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

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Is this where we blog about our winrates?

Just started playing this month after a 2 year break from poker (since black friday).
Played nl100/200 6max and nl100/200/400/some600 HU on FTP for a modest winrate.

Decided to give 1/2/2 a try for pretty much my first time at a casino.
Found a bunch of leaks during my first 100 hours, but have also run quite bad.

-$132 over 99.5 hours. Still optimistic; have run much worse before. (And this is like 4000 hands?)

/blogpost
#coolstorybro
I'm in a very similar spot. I'm up 160ish over 110 hours. This includes a lot of old sessions where I hadn't done much studying. I feel optimistic as well and you definitely be breakeven/stuck if you run bad in a couple big pots early.
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Old 04-25-2013, 03:38 AM   #4868
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Biggest leaks for online players to live is not dumbing down play. You really have to ****** your play to be profitable at llsnl.

Yeah, my biggest leak was definitely giving people too much credit. 90% have no idea what they're doing or what your range for common situations is. If you're tight you always have high cards
Just remember that there is no fold equity, value town the piss out of calling stations, etc.

In other words be more nittish and bet/fold until the cows come home.


Also, stay focused...which is easier said than done for online players playing live. Live reads (dynamic driven more than actual eating oreo reads driven) are something I ignored at first but have proven quite useful over time.
This is pretty difficult at times, especially when you're not getting hands to play. I miss being able to not pay attention and then check what happened after the hand is done


I mean honestly that's not horrible. You are tracking and you are even, so you are above 80% of the posters in this forum I'd say.
From what I've read of this thread, only winners were posting results. Figured I'd post my results for science.

A good estimate of hands per hour is 30...though it can be a bit higher as I believe one of our mods tracked it a few months back for some time and got some surprising results.
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:43 AM   #4869
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Guy with girlfriend leak - take chips home.. don't cash out. ..or just lie..
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:49 AM   #4870
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Hey win: Most dudes that come from an online have 2 problems.

1 Over aggro pre and willing to stack off WAY too light. I am sure this is especially true for you coming from 6 max/ HU. At 1/2 virtually no one 4 bet bluffs (handful at 2/5). There is literally zero hj/co/blind dynamic where you will be fistpumping getting hands like AK or TT in pre.

2 Getting bored and playing crap oop and convincing themselves that every 1 sux soooo much that it doesnt matter b/c "I can outplay 'em all post flop"

take care of those 2 and you will be stomping soon enuf!
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:53 AM   #4871
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I would bring atleast 5 (@ 1-2)
I also bring 5 BI (and I'm just a rec player).

3 or less is bad, imo, as there's just too great a chance that you'll eventually run into a spot where you'll be playing a non-topped up shortstack (which is horrible strategy against a typical moron-filled field).
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:41 AM   #4872
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Guy with girlfriend leak - take chips home.. don't cash out. ..or just lie..
Short term fix only above....either she gonna get it or she gotta go. Any other way.....the leak will bust the dam.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:40 PM   #4873
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Totally agree, but only if you can mentally and emotionally handle this and continue to play your best game. If you think you might be tilted slightly, go home and come back fresh.
i dont tilt much ... im fully capable of folding aces OTT or OTR when i know theyre beat .... and i LOL at the droOlers that over bet JJ pre cause they say they hate em...and same player may flat with AK and say they hate that hand too...i subscribe to raising all my rasing hands about the same table dynamics dictate what that number is ... but weather 9Ts oTB or AA from UTG
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:43 PM   #4874
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Guy with girlfriend leak - take chips home.. don't cash out. ..or just lie..
LOL...@ take chips home ...like it
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:07 PM   #4875
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Hey weeeeweeee

If your interested in some good
games in Austin mp me.
I know games every night of the week from 1-2 - 5-10
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