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Old 03-21-2013, 01:10 AM   #4551
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Pretty pissed at myself tonight. The deck ran over me and I missed out on probably 300 dollars of value by not being aggressive enough.

Example: QQ on a straddled hand. raise to 15, get one caller, on my left. 40-some in the pot (limpers folded), he's got about 200 behind. Flop J52, rainbow. Bet 25, he calls. turn 8, I check, he bets 25, I call. River 9, check check, showdown. He has JK offsuit.

I should have been value betting the whole effing way there to get in for stacks. This is why I'm not a solid winning player, and I know it. I mean, at least I'm getting angry at myself now, but at the table I just freeze up and get serious mubs anytime I have a big hand. I don't know how to get over it and think analytically instead.

I've been reading PNLHEv.1, and according to Miller, the SPR was pretty much ideal for an overpair on that board. Rrrgh
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:39 AM   #4552
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If that was me id be going $18 pre, flop 35, turn 65, shove river.

The straddle dynamic is perfect for this. Money not won is money lost.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:10 AM   #4553
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Pretty pissed at myself tonight. The deck ran over me and I missed out on probably 300 dollars of value by not being aggressive enough.

Example: QQ on a straddled hand. raise to 15, get one caller, on my left. 40-some in the pot (limpers folded), he's got about 200 behind. Flop J52, rainbow. Bet 25, he calls. turn 8, I check, he bets 25, I call. River 9, check check, showdown. He has JK offsuit.

I should have been value betting the whole effing way there to get in for stacks. This is why I'm not a solid winning player, and I know it. I mean, at least I'm getting angry at myself now, but at the table I just freeze up and get serious mubs anytime I have a big hand. I don't know how to get over it and think analytically instead.

I've been reading PNLHEv.1, and according to Miller, the SPR was pretty much ideal for an overpair on that board. Rrrgh
It's all about habit. You just need to consciously bet all three streets whenever you have TPGK or better... The more you do it, the more comfortable you will be doing it. Same w cbetting and thin value bets. The more you do it, the easier it is to do...
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:21 AM   #4554
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Yeah against fish and ****ty call station regs if i am on a 100 bb stack i look to raise 15, cbet 30 to 45, then bet 70 to ship on turn...

Good players will look at me crazy for my overbetting....

But most fish n **** regs will call off their whole stack on top pair or a draw.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:54 AM   #4555
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Ok, just looked at my stats and need some perspective.

Am a once a week player, probably 300 hours a year.

1/1 home game that is probably good 1/2 standard. 240 hours at 19bb an hour

178 hrs 1/2 at 18 bb hr

220 hrs at 3/3 at 19bb/hr

35 hrs at 2/4 (diff casino) at -7bb hr

32 hrs at 5/5 at -7bb hr

At what point do I start thinking about having a donkey crushing low stakes style that doesn't translate to higher levels and needing to limit my ambitions to win at 5/5 or change my game?
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:01 AM   #4556
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that winrate over that sample at 5/5 is kinda meaningless. That's -2 BIs. You win one more all-in pot, you're even.

You're going to have to answer that question with just self-analysis. Are you unlucky or making losing plays? If the latter, why are they losing plays? If you know, can you correctly adjust?

If you have absolutely no idea what you can do to beat 5/5, maybe forget about playing and just watch until you figure it out. Or take a seat and just play super nitty. Playing in a game without a plan to win is a recipe for failure.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:16 AM   #4557
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But most fish n **** regs will call off their whole stack on top pair or a draw.
A+, would read again in rap lyric format.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:55 AM   #4558
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Day in day out imma fill my fat rack
with fish 'n' chips tryin'a take my jacked stack
**** top pair, yo draw ain't worth a shat jack
reload n' cry, try to win it all back
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:57 AM   #4559
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Day in day out imma fill my fat rack
with fish 'n' chips tryin'a take my jacked stack
**** top pair, yo draw ain't worth a shat jack
reload n' cry, try to win it all back
...all black chips cuz i'm finna win that cake, STAT
i'm a gambler; the racetrack is my rakeback
so face facts, there ain't no way i'm not gonna make sacks
so you can take that; i'll get it paid back ASAP
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:03 AM   #4560
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Pretty pissed at myself tonight. The deck ran over me and I missed out on probably 300 dollars of value by not being aggressive enough.

Example: QQ on a straddled hand. raise to 15, get one caller, on my left. 40-some in the pot (limpers folded), he's got about 200 behind. Flop J52, rainbow. Bet 25, he calls. turn 8, I check, he bets 25, I call. River 9, check check, showdown. He has JK offsuit.

I should have been value betting the whole effing way there to get in for stacks. This is why I'm not a solid winning player, and I know it. I mean, at least I'm getting angry at myself now, but at the table I just freeze up and get serious mubs anytime I have a big hand. I don't know how to get over it and think analytically instead.

I've been reading PNLHEv.1, and according to Miller, the SPR was pretty much ideal for an overpair on that board. Rrrgh
Listen to Bart Hanson's podcasts, he'll beat value betting into your brain
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:18 AM   #4561
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Listen to Bart Hanson's podcasts, he'll beat value betting into your brain
Which casts? Are they the ones here:

http://www.deucescracked.com/podcasts

...that you have to be a member to get?

I got some podcasts off of itunes...I wanted to put them on my iPod nano, but can't figure out how to sync podcasts to the pod. all the mp3s sync right up but the podcasts just keep hanging out there. in itunes. guess I could just listen to them at home...
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:03 AM   #4562
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Ok, just looked at my stats and need some perspective.

Am a once a week player, probably 300 hours a year.

1/1 home game that is probably good 1/2 standard. 240 hours at 19bb an hour

178 hrs 1/2 at 18 bb hr

220 hrs at 3/3 at 19bb/hr

35 hrs at 2/4 (diff casino) at -7bb hr

32 hrs at 5/5 at -7bb hr

At what point do I start thinking about having a donkey crushing low stakes style that doesn't translate to higher levels and needing to limit my ambitions to win at 5/5 or change my game?
you have sample size problems
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:57 AM   #4563
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Ok, just looked at my stats and need some perspective.

Am a once a week player, probably 300 hours a year.

1/1 home game that is probably good 1/2 standard. 240 hours at 19bb an hour

178 hrs 1/2 at 18 bb hr

220 hrs at 3/3 at 19bb/hr

35 hrs at 2/4 (diff casino) at -7bb hr

32 hrs at 5/5 at -7bb hr

At what point do I start thinking about having a donkey crushing low stakes style that doesn't translate to higher levels and needing to limit my ambitions to win at 5/5 or change my game?
Wow, so you're at ~19bb/hr over 638 hours at the lower games? Impressive, imo.

But as 11t says, your sample size at the higher games is almost meaningless.
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:19 PM   #4564
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Which casts? Are they the ones here:

http://www.deucescracked.com/podcasts

...that you have to be a member to get?

I got some podcasts off of itunes...I wanted to put them on my iPod nano, but can't figure out how to sync podcasts to the pod. all the mp3s sync right up but the podcasts just keep hanging out there. in itunes. guess I could just listen to them at home...
http://www.seatopenpoker.net/

Just pay the $23.99 subscription fee and you get all of his newer podcasts and all crushlivepoker videos.....Well worth the price, you would have made it back and then some if you value bet those queens! lol
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:56 PM   #4565
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I tried search but couldn't find it. How do u use excel to keep track of live poker stats? Formulas for totals, daily cash outs, etc. I just want to keep track of dates, cashin, cash out, stake levels and game type.
I took a class at Ohio State about all the workings of Excel back when I was an Accounting major. It's really easy to do if you know how to do it.

First, label a column as "dates". This is where you'll put your dates of the session. Label the next column as "hours". This is how long the session was. The next column/s are up to preference. I keep one column because I only use up to two buy-ins per session if I lose. Label this column "profit".

For the profit column, click inside the c2 cell (as this should be the first cell under the profit column). There should be a small square on the bottom right hand corner of that cell. Click it and drag it all the way down the column (I'd go about 80 or so columns). Go up to the top bar and click the $ button. This will make all cells in that column appear in a dollar amount. I personally add other little touches like a red cell for a negative session and green cell for profit session, but that's a little more complicated for a new excel user.

In the "E" column, label three cells in the same column "Hours", "Net Profit", and "$/hour". Start this at E1 and go to E3. In the cell to the right of "hours", F1, click inside of it and type the following in.

=SUM(B2:B50)

This will automatically count the total amount of hours you have played whenever you put an amount in the hours column (Up to the B50 cell). For the "Net Profit", click in the cell to the right of it, F2. First, go up and click the $ button for this cell. Next, click inside of the cell and type the following in.

=SUM(C2:C50)

This will automatically calculate your total profit whenever you put your session win/loss amounts in. The last cell will calculate your winrate in terms of $/hour. For this, click in the cell to the right of "$/hour" (F3) and push the $ button at the top. Click inside of the cell again and type in the following.

=F2/F1

And this will automatically calculate your winrate per hour. Hope this helps
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:07 PM   #4566
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as an engineer I have no idea how people don't know how to use excel
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:40 PM   #4567
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that winrate over that sample at 5/5 is kinda meaningless. That's -2 BIs. You win one more all-in pot, you're even.

You're going to have to answer that question with just self-analysis. Are you unlucky or making losing plays? If the latter, why are they losing plays? If you know, can you correctly adjust?

If you have absolutely no idea what you can do to beat 5/5, maybe forget about playing and just watch until you figure it out. Or take a seat and just play super nitty. Playing in a game without a plan to win is a recipe for failure.

think you're right on many counts. first up, I lost 240bb with quads during a 5/5 session which clearly hurts my win rate.

I have already worked out I play differently at 5/5. I am very conscious of being 'worked out' and exploited by some of the good reg/pros at the level and as a result, I think I deviate from my normal game too much, splash around and make silly bluffs as well as float too much post flop because I think I'm being bluffed.

I think my winning style at lower levels is to be patient and tight, see cheap flops in position where possible, bet hard for value, fold well and rarely bluff. I just need to be more consistent with this game plan and then make smaller tweaks in response to table dynamics rather than try to badly retool my game.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:45 PM   #4568
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i doubt theres a large difference in the player pool. its a common mistake to make (says the guy who's been smoked for bout $350 at 20NL in the last week).
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:51 PM   #4569
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Wow, so you're at ~19bb/hr over 638 hours at the lower games? Impressive, imo.

But as 11t says, your sample size at the higher games is almost meaningless.
as noted above, I do think my play is worse at higher levels and I need to re-tool my mental preparation for that game before I sit down at 5/5 again.

re my win rate, it seems to me that it is higher than people I would think from these forums are way better than me. I don't have delusions of grandeur, although I hope I get good value from my hands most of the time. More so, I think the reason for this could be that the games in Australia play bigger pre flop in terms of limpers and bet sizing and this increases win rate.

eg yesterday at 3/3, the standard raise was $15-18, so 5-6bb and I'm certain this increases my win rate.

I had a standard hand yesterday. 3 limpers to me in c/o with AQ. I raise to 24, two callers.
Flop $81 Qh 8d 4s.

Checked to me, I bet $50, one caller. (eff stacks 400)

Turn $181. 9c he checks, I check.

River ($181) 7d, he checks I bet $120, he tank calls with 1010.

Scoop pot of $421. Quite a standard played pot I'd think but, I won 74bb with TPTK. If standard raise had been 4 or 5 bb, I'd have only won 45-50.
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turn needs to bet there so you can win 120bb with tptk.
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villain folds in that case
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really???????

I mean, sure if we know that villain has TT exactly it's a great check but c'mon man. Give KQ/QJ a chance to spite call.
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really???????

I mean, sure if we know that villain has TT exactly it's a great check but c'mon man. Give KQ/QJ a chance to spite call.
We MIGHT get 2 streets of value if we bet flop and turn, but seems incredibly unlikely to get someone to stack off with kj or worse.
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you'll never have a chance to stack anyone if you don't bet turn.
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