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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

03-20-2013 , 01:20 PM
post hands. You have to identify where you're going wrong and live, that's the only solid way. Start recording your big hands/question hands (I use my phone recorder) and then post them up here.
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03-20-2013 , 01:44 PM
I had a situation recently where I was booking a huge win (brag over) and then when I went to cash out I was light a $100 chip. I'm usually very careful with keeping track of my stack but when I went to surveillance they swore noone was near it when I used the restroom or whatever so I guess its possible I dropped it on the walk or something.

Very frustrating but I guess I learned a valuable lesson. I will always put high-denom chips in my pocket when I get up from now on. If I wasnt winning a signification amount regardless I would have been apoplectic.

My question is do I include this money in my winrate? My inclination is no, somewhat to teach myself a lesson.
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03-20-2013 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by thechipfiend
So at the point I'm at right now can you suggest some good tools for me to help plug those leaks?
Also "grunch" posts. i.e. respond to a thread stating how you would play each street, and why, before looking at any other responses. This way, your response won't be influenced by the crowd and you'll have your honest opinions/reasons for your actions displayed, and then other posters can tell you why they agree/disagree with them.
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03-20-2013 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Nouveau Pauvre
I had a situation recently where I was booking a huge win (brag over) and then when I went to cash out I was light a $100 chip. I'm usually very careful with keeping track of my stack but when I went to surveillance they swore noone was near it when I used the restroom or whatever so I guess its possible I dropped it on the walk or something.

Very frustrating but I guess I learned a valuable lesson. I will always put high-denom chips in my pocket when I get up from now on. If I wasnt winning a signification amount regardless I would have been apoplectic.

My question is do I include this money in my winrate? My inclination is no, somewhat to teach myself a lesson.
Are you even allowed to pick up chips from the table when you go to the washroom / smoke break / etc.? I'm pretty sure you probably can't (as dealers will just assume you're going to rathole your winnings and not put them back on the table).

Is there any chance you made a mistake? I don't think my 1/3 table even allows $100 chips on the table.

But if you're absolutely certain you did in fact win that extra $100, then I would include it as a winning. You want your winrate to reflect how much you are winning/losing at the table playing poker, not how much you are winning/losing by dropping chips / getting them stolen / getting mugged in the parking lot.
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03-20-2013 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Also "grunch" posts. i.e. respond to a thread stating how you would play each street, and why, before looking at any other responses. This way, your response won't be influenced by the crowd and you'll have your honest opinions/reasons for your actions displayed, and then other posters can tell you why they agree/disagree with them.
Don't forget "berating for utter stupidity and how do you live with yourself being so stupid?" That's happen.
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03-20-2013 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Are you even allowed to pick up chips from the table when you go to the washroom / smoke break / etc.? I'm pretty sure you probably can't (as dealers will just assume you're going to rathole your winnings and not put them back on the table).

Is there any chance you made a mistake? I don't think my 1/3 table even allows $100 chips on the table.

But if you're absolutely certain you did in fact win that extra $100, then I would include it as a winning. You want your winrate to reflect how much you are winning/losing at the table playing poker, not how much you are winning/losing by dropping chips / getting them stolen / getting mugged in the parking lot.

from what I understand as long as I tell the table what I'm doing this will be ok. Really though I will just never color-up from now on as it would be very difficult to steal 20 redbirds or for me to drop them unawares. I am 100% sure I had the chip as i had colored-it up myself after doubling.

Re:winrate I sort of believe that my friends who play pit games or sportsbet in the same casino trip as poker should include those losses in their winrates..and by that logic my leak: inattention should count as well.
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03-20-2013 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nouveau Pauvre
Re:winrate I sort of believe that my friends who play pit games or sportsbet in the same casino trip as poker should include those losses in their winrates..and by that logic my leak: inattention should count as well.
I guess it depends on why you keep track of your winrate. I keep track of my poker winrate simply as a way to track how I'm doing at a particular level poker-wise; it's basically the only way to keep score, and I want to know how I'm doing playing poker (and poker only).

Losing money in the pits / in the parking lot / thru a hole in our pants is totally unrelated to the overall poker scoreboard. Even buying food/drinks while at the poker table should not be included in your poker winrate if we're keeping track for scoreboard purposes. If we did, that means I'd be a worse poker player if I ate more expensive food / clumsily lost money / got mugged a lot?

If you're keeping track of it for the sole purpose of knowing how much money you are spending/making on your overall casino hobby, fine.
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03-20-2013 , 02:11 PM
Yeah good point. I think I will include it as my amount of money on hand helpfully keeps track of itself.
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03-20-2013 , 02:39 PM
Has anyone used the technique of keeping your extra cash in the car, so if you lose a big pot and have to rebuy, you are forced to take a ~20min. break/walk to clear your head?

I thought of this last week and have been using it and it's been great, but I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of this...
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03-20-2013 , 02:41 PM
I don't insta tilt when I bust so no, I don't do that.
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03-20-2013 , 02:42 PM
What if your car gets broken into. Or stolen, then you are ****ed.

Just have more discipline.
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03-20-2013 , 03:10 PM
If it was as simple as just "having more discipline" then tilt wouldn't even exist?

And yeah I'm aware of the risk of my car getting broken into...but it's not much different than the risk of getting robbed walking to the car.
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03-20-2013 , 03:35 PM
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And yeah I'm aware of the risk of my car getting broken into...but it's not much different than the risk of getting robbed walking to the car.
My guess is that the amounts of burglary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amounts of robbery.
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03-20-2013 , 03:51 PM
lol I found a technique that has been helping me out and thought I'd share it...if people want to focus in on pretty irrelevant, low probability things then by all means go ahead
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03-20-2013 , 03:58 PM
I always bury high-denom chips at the bottom of my stack when leaving the table. Then nobody can palm them or knock them on the floor or whatever.

(obviously I make them visible when I come back)
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03-20-2013 , 05:58 PM
I bury them too
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03-20-2013 , 08:01 PM
When i have bills in play, i take them with me when i take a smoke break. Never had an issue. Just say to the dealer "i'm taking $x with me," and put them bacj when i get back. Never had an issue. One dealer looked at me like "um, why are you telling me?" but thats it. I'd do the same with high denomination chips if i ever colored up to them, though i probably wouldnt ever do that.
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03-20-2013 , 09:37 PM
I tried search but couldn't find it. How do u use excel to keep track of live poker stats? Formulas for totals, daily cash outs, etc. I just want to keep track of dates, cashin, cash out, stake levels and game type.
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03-20-2013 , 10:20 PM
Have you not used Excel before?

There isn't any need for complicated formula, just a simple sum should suffice.
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03-21-2013 , 01:10 AM
Pretty pissed at myself tonight. The deck ran over me and I missed out on probably 300 dollars of value by not being aggressive enough.

Example: QQ on a straddled hand. raise to 15, get one caller, on my left. 40-some in the pot (limpers folded), he's got about 200 behind. Flop J52, rainbow. Bet 25, he calls. turn 8, I check, he bets 25, I call. River 9, check check, showdown. He has JK offsuit.

I should have been value betting the whole effing way there to get in for stacks. This is why I'm not a solid winning player, and I know it. I mean, at least I'm getting angry at myself now, but at the table I just freeze up and get serious mubs anytime I have a big hand. I don't know how to get over it and think analytically instead.

I've been reading PNLHEv.1, and according to Miller, the SPR was pretty much ideal for an overpair on that board. Rrrgh
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03-21-2013 , 01:39 AM
If that was me id be going $18 pre, flop 35, turn 65, shove river.

The straddle dynamic is perfect for this. Money not won is money lost.
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03-21-2013 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by corlath
Pretty pissed at myself tonight. The deck ran over me and I missed out on probably 300 dollars of value by not being aggressive enough.

Example: QQ on a straddled hand. raise to 15, get one caller, on my left. 40-some in the pot (limpers folded), he's got about 200 behind. Flop J52, rainbow. Bet 25, he calls. turn 8, I check, he bets 25, I call. River 9, check check, showdown. He has JK offsuit.

I should have been value betting the whole effing way there to get in for stacks. This is why I'm not a solid winning player, and I know it. I mean, at least I'm getting angry at myself now, but at the table I just freeze up and get serious mubs anytime I have a big hand. I don't know how to get over it and think analytically instead.

I've been reading PNLHEv.1, and according to Miller, the SPR was pretty much ideal for an overpair on that board. Rrrgh
It's all about habit. You just need to consciously bet all three streets whenever you have TPGK or better... The more you do it, the more comfortable you will be doing it. Same w cbetting and thin value bets. The more you do it, the easier it is to do...
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03-21-2013 , 04:21 AM
Yeah against fish and ****ty call station regs if i am on a 100 bb stack i look to raise 15, cbet 30 to 45, then bet 70 to ship on turn...

Good players will look at me crazy for my overbetting....

But most fish n **** regs will call off their whole stack on top pair or a draw.
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03-21-2013 , 04:54 AM
Ok, just looked at my stats and need some perspective.

Am a once a week player, probably 300 hours a year.

1/1 home game that is probably good 1/2 standard. 240 hours at 19bb an hour

178 hrs 1/2 at 18 bb hr

220 hrs at 3/3 at 19bb/hr

35 hrs at 2/4 (diff casino) at -7bb hr

32 hrs at 5/5 at -7bb hr

At what point do I start thinking about having a donkey crushing low stakes style that doesn't translate to higher levels and needing to limit my ambitions to win at 5/5 or change my game?
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03-21-2013 , 06:01 AM
that winrate over that sample at 5/5 is kinda meaningless. That's -2 BIs. You win one more all-in pot, you're even.

You're going to have to answer that question with just self-analysis. Are you unlucky or making losing plays? If the latter, why are they losing plays? If you know, can you correctly adjust?

If you have absolutely no idea what you can do to beat 5/5, maybe forget about playing and just watch until you figure it out. Or take a seat and just play super nitty. Playing in a game without a plan to win is a recipe for failure.
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