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Old 03-19-2013, 09:17 AM   #4526
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If it was me id take 10k of my 23k. You can always sit and quit if your not feeling it. Easy decision really, what an awesome opportunity. You have to risk money to make money in this game. 1 decent session there could equal 1000 hours of beating your normal game.
Yeah this is what I originally thought, as I was watching a few hands I was just thinking if I can run ok I could potentially double my roll. I'd played a handful of the old regs on 2-5 and the few hands that I had watched everyone seemed to be playing pretty straight forward but what definitely did it was watching the whale and a few players started straddling to 50, it struck me just how big it was. In the end I got my older brother to come down and get in the game he plays 5-10 has around a 60k life roll and had 80% of himself and this was by far the biggest game he had played, but he's in a better position and has way more gamble than me. He ended booking a 4.6k win but others cleared 5 figures.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:00 PM   #4527
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Just wanted to share my lifetime live poker graph (~250hrs). This is almost all 2/3 at my local card room. I have been a little frustrated lately with my winrate mostly because I have been studying poker for quite some time and rarely get my money in behind with exceptions of standard coolers (ie. boat over boat). I have pretty good tilt control as well. I know there's always more to learn in poker, but just wondering if anyone has seen a graph like this or had a similar experience. Thanks

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Old 03-20-2013, 01:06 PM   #4528
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Lesson #1: There are times when getting it in behind is the right thing to do.
Lesson#2: If you're never getting it in behind, you're probably not getting it in often enough.

250hrs isn't enough to get a really good idea of where you're at, but I'd say you've probably got some leaks to plug.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:07 PM   #4529
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It doesn't mean you're a breakeven or losing player, but that graph is a red flag
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:11 PM   #4530
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Just wanted to share my lifetime live poker graph (~250hrs). This is almost all 2/3 at my local card room. I have been a little frustrated lately with my winrate mostly because I have been studying poker for quite some time and rarely get my money in behind with exceptions of standard coolers (ie. boat over boat). I have pretty good tilt control as well. I know there's always more to learn in poker, but just wondering if anyone has seen a graph like this or had a similar experience. Thanks

Based on this graph it's clear you need to move up stakes to where they respect your raises
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:13 PM   #4531
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So at the point I'm at right now can you suggest some good tools for me to help plug those leaks?
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:20 PM   #4532
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post hands. You have to identify where you're going wrong and live, that's the only solid way. Start recording your big hands/question hands (I use my phone recorder) and then post them up here.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:44 PM   #4533
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I had a situation recently where I was booking a huge win (brag over) and then when I went to cash out I was light a $100 chip. I'm usually very careful with keeping track of my stack but when I went to surveillance they swore noone was near it when I used the restroom or whatever so I guess its possible I dropped it on the walk or something.

Very frustrating but I guess I learned a valuable lesson. I will always put high-denom chips in my pocket when I get up from now on. If I wasnt winning a signification amount regardless I would have been apoplectic.

My question is do I include this money in my winrate? My inclination is no, somewhat to teach myself a lesson.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:45 PM   #4534
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So at the point I'm at right now can you suggest some good tools for me to help plug those leaks?
Also "grunch" posts. i.e. respond to a thread stating how you would play each street, and why, before looking at any other responses. This way, your response won't be influenced by the crowd and you'll have your honest opinions/reasons for your actions displayed, and then other posters can tell you why they agree/disagree with them.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:49 PM   #4535
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I had a situation recently where I was booking a huge win (brag over) and then when I went to cash out I was light a $100 chip. I'm usually very careful with keeping track of my stack but when I went to surveillance they swore noone was near it when I used the restroom or whatever so I guess its possible I dropped it on the walk or something.

Very frustrating but I guess I learned a valuable lesson. I will always put high-denom chips in my pocket when I get up from now on. If I wasnt winning a signification amount regardless I would have been apoplectic.

My question is do I include this money in my winrate? My inclination is no, somewhat to teach myself a lesson.
Are you even allowed to pick up chips from the table when you go to the washroom / smoke break / etc.? I'm pretty sure you probably can't (as dealers will just assume you're going to rathole your winnings and not put them back on the table).

Is there any chance you made a mistake? I don't think my 1/3 table even allows $100 chips on the table.

But if you're absolutely certain you did in fact win that extra $100, then I would include it as a winning. You want your winrate to reflect how much you are winning/losing at the table playing poker, not how much you are winning/losing by dropping chips / getting them stolen / getting mugged in the parking lot.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:50 PM   #4536
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Also "grunch" posts. i.e. respond to a thread stating how you would play each street, and why, before looking at any other responses. This way, your response won't be influenced by the crowd and you'll have your honest opinions/reasons for your actions displayed, and then other posters can tell you why they agree/disagree with them.
Don't forget "berating for utter stupidity and how do you live with yourself being so stupid?" That's happen.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:56 PM   #4537
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Are you even allowed to pick up chips from the table when you go to the washroom / smoke break / etc.? I'm pretty sure you probably can't (as dealers will just assume you're going to rathole your winnings and not put them back on the table).

Is there any chance you made a mistake? I don't think my 1/3 table even allows $100 chips on the table.

But if you're absolutely certain you did in fact win that extra $100, then I would include it as a winning. You want your winrate to reflect how much you are winning/losing at the table playing poker, not how much you are winning/losing by dropping chips / getting them stolen / getting mugged in the parking lot.

from what I understand as long as I tell the table what I'm doing this will be ok. Really though I will just never color-up from now on as it would be very difficult to steal 20 redbirds or for me to drop them unawares. I am 100% sure I had the chip as i had colored-it up myself after doubling.

Re:winrate I sort of believe that my friends who play pit games or sportsbet in the same casino trip as poker should include those losses in their winrates..and by that logic my leak: inattention should count as well.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:08 PM   #4538
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Re:winrate I sort of believe that my friends who play pit games or sportsbet in the same casino trip as poker should include those losses in their winrates..and by that logic my leak: inattention should count as well.
I guess it depends on why you keep track of your winrate. I keep track of my poker winrate simply as a way to track how I'm doing at a particular level poker-wise; it's basically the only way to keep score, and I want to know how I'm doing playing poker (and poker only).

Losing money in the pits / in the parking lot / thru a hole in our pants is totally unrelated to the overall poker scoreboard. Even buying food/drinks while at the poker table should not be included in your poker winrate if we're keeping track for scoreboard purposes. If we did, that means I'd be a worse poker player if I ate more expensive food / clumsily lost money / got mugged a lot?

If you're keeping track of it for the sole purpose of knowing how much money you are spending/making on your overall casino hobby, fine.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:11 PM   #4539
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Yeah good point. I think I will include it as my amount of money on hand helpfully keeps track of itself.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:39 PM   #4540
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Has anyone used the technique of keeping your extra cash in the car, so if you lose a big pot and have to rebuy, you are forced to take a ~20min. break/walk to clear your head?

I thought of this last week and have been using it and it's been great, but I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of this...
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:41 PM   #4541
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I don't insta tilt when I bust so no, I don't do that.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:42 PM   #4542
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What if your car gets broken into. Or stolen, then you are ****ed.

Just have more discipline.
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:10 PM   #4543
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If it was as simple as just "having more discipline" then tilt wouldn't even exist?

And yeah I'm aware of the risk of my car getting broken into...but it's not much different than the risk of getting robbed walking to the car.
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:35 PM   #4544
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And yeah I'm aware of the risk of my car getting broken into...but it's not much different than the risk of getting robbed walking to the car.
My guess is that the amounts of burglary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amounts of robbery.
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:51 PM   #4545
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lol I found a technique that has been helping me out and thought I'd share it...if people want to focus in on pretty irrelevant, low probability things then by all means go ahead
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:58 PM   #4546
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I always bury high-denom chips at the bottom of my stack when leaving the table. Then nobody can palm them or knock them on the floor or whatever.

(obviously I make them visible when I come back)
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:58 PM   #4547
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I bury them too
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:01 PM   #4548
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When i have bills in play, i take them with me when i take a smoke break. Never had an issue. Just say to the dealer "i'm taking $x with me," and put them bacj when i get back. Never had an issue. One dealer looked at me like "um, why are you telling me?" but thats it. I'd do the same with high denomination chips if i ever colored up to them, though i probably wouldnt ever do that.
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:37 PM   #4549
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I tried search but couldn't find it. How do u use excel to keep track of live poker stats? Formulas for totals, daily cash outs, etc. I just want to keep track of dates, cashin, cash out, stake levels and game type.
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Old 03-20-2013, 10:20 PM   #4550
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Have you not used Excel before?

There isn't any need for complicated formula, just a simple sum should suffice.
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