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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

03-18-2013 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sao
This is very different from being able to play the whale HU. Let's say that the table is half high-stakes pros and half 5-10 nits. As a 1-3/2-5 player, you are probably not as good as at least 2-4 other players at the table, on par with maybe two or three of them, and better than the whale and maybe another player or two. Does that sound like an +EV situation for you? And on top of that, you can assume that every time the whale is involved in a hand, there probably will be a pro who is going to put massive pressure on you in an attempt to isolate the whale.

We don't make money being better than one player at the table; we make money by being better than most/all of the players at the table. I can't imagine risking 40% of just my recreational poker roll to play in this game, much less 40% of a poker+life roll.
x2 on all of that. The pros with bigger rolls are definitely going to try to iso the whale
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03-18-2013 , 05:06 PM
yeah being th 2nd biggest fish at the table isn't exactly +EV
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03-18-2013 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
x2 on all of that. The pros with bigger rolls are definitely going to try to iso the whale and you once they figure out you are scared money vs anyone but the whale
IFYP
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03-18-2013 , 05:19 PM
Take a seat in the game and sell out 75% of your action. Buy in short, so pros can't outplay you.
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03-18-2013 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ATsai
Take a seat in the game and sell out 75% of your action. Buy in short, so pros can't outplay you.
This is definitely a way to play in the game, however it is much more likely that if he is a 10xbb winner at 2/5 (opportunity cost = 50 $/hr) at selling 75% of his action and assuming a 10xbb winner (lol amirite) at 10/25 (opportunity cost = 62.5 $/hr) so it becomes apparent that even under the rosiest of BS assumptions that it is better to just go crush 2/5.
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03-18-2013 , 05:32 PM
I'm never usually wreckless but its so hard when your railing the game for a few hands and see him bet 5k on the river, get called and announce 9 high and then check call a 2k river bet with 9 of diamonds, 4 diamonds on board and obviously get shown the nuts. Not to forget limp shove with 44s and has everyone on the table covered. I would obviously not be reloading just one bullet attempt if fail then leave n back to normal. But yeah prolly a terrible terrible idea. I would love to buy in short but they made it 10k min, if I could sit with a 2.5k bullet I'm snap in there. I actually ended up buying 10% of someone else's action so now just railing.
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03-18-2013 , 05:59 PM
Eh, it's 10x easier to rail and dream than to actually be in there with a huge portion of your life roll. Imagine a spot where it's you, the whale, and a high stakes pro. The whale shoves all in $25K on J8362 and you have QJ with the pro still to act. $9500 for you to call....

F-that. Your hourly in that game might be $100/hr. So you play 8 hours and "should" win $800. Or you could lose half your life roll and go on super mega tilt.
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03-18-2013 , 06:20 PM
11t,

Most live regs with 50/hour winrates don't play a mix of 1/3 NL and 2/5 NL.

I think dreamchaser is more likely a 30/hour winner at 2/5 NL.

Playing a good short-stack startegy at 10/25 NL could net him 100+/hour.

If he was smart about selling his action, he could charge juice to make the action-selling more worthwhile to him.
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03-18-2013 , 06:23 PM
Wow, 10k minimum 10/25 NL game makes short-stacking impossible.

Good discipline on passing on the game and just buying someone else's action.
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03-18-2013 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ATsai
11t,

Most live regs with 50/hour winrates don't play a mix of 1/3 NL and 2/5 NL.

I think dreamchaser is more likely a 30/hour winner at 2/5 NL.

Playing a good short-stack startegy at 10/25 NL could net him 100+/hour.

If he was smart about selling his action, he could charge juice to make the action-selling more worthwhile to him.
Then you probably aren't going to be a winner at all at a T/25 game
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03-18-2013 , 07:33 PM
Honestly you have to either have a huge BR, or be super degen/risk love to play T/25. I couldn't imagine playing that game even with staking and with whales.
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03-18-2013 , 08:34 PM
think of poker in terms of BBs, not dollars
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03-18-2013 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamchaser
If u guys have a 23k life and poker roll and play 1-3, 2-5 everyday and a massive whale (complete spewtard that consistently does 8-9k at 2-5, 20+ in higher games) was sat at a 10-25 game with a 10k min sitdown and a seat open would you take the seat?? All other seats are filled with a mixture of high stakes (5-10-10-25) pros and old reg 5-10 nits. This whale is already stuck 40k and in full gamble mode, if not at what stage would you take this opportunity? This is based on a real situation
Id take 2, 2.5k shots, or 5 1250 shots. Then if i lose it leave. That is with your bankroll
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03-18-2013 , 09:56 PM
If it was me id take 10k of my 23k. You can always sit and quit if your not feeling it. Easy decision really, what an awesome opportunity. You have to risk money to make money in this game. 1 decent session there could equal 1000 hours of beating your normal game.
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03-18-2013 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kb12345
Id take 2, 2.5k shots, or 5 1250 shots. Then if i lose it leave. That is with your bankroll
10k min.
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03-18-2013 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamchaser
If u guys have a 23k life and poker roll and play 1-3, 2-5 everyday and a massive whale (complete spewtard that consistently does 8-9k at 2-5, 20+ in higher games) was sat at a 10-25 game with a 10k min sitdown and a seat open would you take the seat?? All other seats are filled with a mixture of high stakes (5-10-10-25) pros and old reg 5-10 nits. This whale is already stuck 40k and in full gamble mode, if not at what stage would you take this opportunity? This is based on a real situation
Minimum by-in of 1000BBs?

Yeah I would not take this shot. Even though we sometimes ignore it, there is some "gambling/luck" involved with poker. Even whales can hit flush draws.
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03-18-2013 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves
10k min.
Oh yeah theres no chance i would then.

Prob not even if i had 100k, even if 2/3 big fish
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03-18-2013 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bosoxfanatic7117
Minimum by-in of 1000BBs?

Yeah I would not take this shot. Even though we sometimes ignore it, there is some "gambling/luck" involved with poker. Even whales can hit flush draws.
400BB
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03-18-2013 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves
400BB
WOW..... I am RWORDED.
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03-19-2013 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bubonicplay
If it was me id take 10k of my 23k. You can always sit and quit if your not feeling it. Easy decision really, what an awesome opportunity. You have to risk money to make money in this game. 1 decent session there could equal 1000 hours of beating your normal game.
Yeah this is what I originally thought, as I was watching a few hands I was just thinking if I can run ok I could potentially double my roll. I'd played a handful of the old regs on 2-5 and the few hands that I had watched everyone seemed to be playing pretty straight forward but what definitely did it was watching the whale and a few players started straddling to 50, it struck me just how big it was. In the end I got my older brother to come down and get in the game he plays 5-10 has around a 60k life roll and had 80% of himself and this was by far the biggest game he had played, but he's in a better position and has way more gamble than me. He ended booking a 4.6k win but others cleared 5 figures.
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03-20-2013 , 01:00 PM
Just wanted to share my lifetime live poker graph (~250hrs). This is almost all 2/3 at my local card room. I have been a little frustrated lately with my winrate mostly because I have been studying poker for quite some time and rarely get my money in behind with exceptions of standard coolers (ie. boat over boat). I have pretty good tilt control as well. I know there's always more to learn in poker, but just wondering if anyone has seen a graph like this or had a similar experience. Thanks

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03-20-2013 , 01:06 PM
Lesson #1: There are times when getting it in behind is the right thing to do.
Lesson#2: If you're never getting it in behind, you're probably not getting it in often enough.

250hrs isn't enough to get a really good idea of where you're at, but I'd say you've probably got some leaks to plug.
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03-20-2013 , 01:07 PM
It doesn't mean you're a breakeven or losing player, but that graph is a red flag
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03-20-2013 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by thechipfiend
Just wanted to share my lifetime live poker graph (~250hrs). This is almost all 2/3 at my local card room. I have been a little frustrated lately with my winrate mostly because I have been studying poker for quite some time and rarely get my money in behind with exceptions of standard coolers (ie. boat over boat). I have pretty good tilt control as well. I know there's always more to learn in poker, but just wondering if anyone has seen a graph like this or had a similar experience. Thanks

Based on this graph it's clear you need to move up stakes to where they respect your raises
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03-20-2013 , 01:13 PM
So at the point I'm at right now can you suggest some good tools for me to help plug those leaks?
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