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Old 03-18-2013, 03:21 PM   #4501
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must be nice to run like god
It really is. I'm terrified of the impending cliff.

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Date            +/-     Hours
1/26/2013	546	4.75
2/2/2013	971	3.5
2/8/2013	463	3
2/15/2013	1,776	9
2/16/2013	1	2.5
2/22/2013	822	4.25
3/1/2013	1,190	6
3/15/2013	491	5
3/17/2013	556	5
Total           6816	43
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:16 PM   #4502
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that's unsustainable haha.

Love the $1 book sandwiched in there.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:46 PM   #4503
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If u guys have a 23k life and poker roll and play 1-3, 2-5 everyday and a massive whale (complete spewtard that consistently does 8-9k at 2-5, 20+ in higher games) was sat at a 10-25 game with a 10k min sitdown and a seat open would you take the seat?? All other seats are filled with a mixture of high stakes (5-10-10-25) pros and old reg 5-10 nits. This whale is already stuck 40k and in full gamble mode, if not at what stage would you take this opportunity? This is based on a real situation
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:49 PM   #4504
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If I was a pro and that was all the money I had, I'd be an idiot to sit in that game.

I'd shot take there with like a 100k poker/life roll.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:51 PM   #4505
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If u guys have a 23k life and poker roll and play 1-3, 2-5 everyday and a massive whale (complete spewtard that consistently does 8-9k at 2-5, 20+ in higher games) was sat at a 10-25 game with a 10k min sitdown and a seat open would you take the seat?? All other seats are filled with a mixture of high stakes (5-10-10-25) pros and old reg 5-10 nits. This whale is already stuck 40k and in full gamble mode, if not at what stage would you take this opportunity? This is based on a real situation
Probably not since you will hate life if you lose half of your savings in one night. You would also want to reload if you lose a few hands which would be pretty risky with $23k total. x2 on $100k minimum life roll to sit in that game.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:01 PM   #4506
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This is very different from being able to play the whale HU. Let's say that the table is half high-stakes pros and half 5-10 nits. As a 1-3/2-5 player, you are probably not as good as at least 2-4 other players at the table, on par with maybe two or three of them, and better than the whale and maybe another player or two. Does that sound like an +EV situation for you? And on top of that, you can assume that every time the whale is involved in a hand, there probably will be a pro who is going to put massive pressure on you in an attempt to isolate the whale.

We don't make money being better than one player at the table; we make money by being better than most/all of the players at the table. I can't imagine risking 40% of just my recreational poker roll to play in this game, much less 40% of a poker+life roll.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:04 PM   #4507
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This is very different from being able to play the whale HU. Let's say that the table is half high-stakes pros and half 5-10 nits. As a 1-3/2-5 player, you are probably not as good as at least 2-4 other players at the table, on par with maybe two or three of them, and better than the whale and maybe another player or two. Does that sound like an +EV situation for you? And on top of that, you can assume that every time the whale is involved in a hand, there probably will be a pro who is going to put massive pressure on you in an attempt to isolate the whale.

We don't make money being better than one player at the table; we make money by being better than most/all of the players at the table. I can't imagine risking 40% of just my recreational poker roll to play in this game, much less 40% of a poker+life roll.
x2 on all of that. The pros with bigger rolls are definitely going to try to iso the whale
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:06 PM   #4508
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yeah being th 2nd biggest fish at the table isn't exactly +EV
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:18 PM   #4509
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x2 on all of that. The pros with bigger rolls are definitely going to try to iso the whale and you once they figure out you are scared money vs anyone but the whale
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:19 PM   #4510
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Take a seat in the game and sell out 75% of your action. Buy in short, so pros can't outplay you.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:29 PM   #4511
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Take a seat in the game and sell out 75% of your action. Buy in short, so pros can't outplay you.
This is definitely a way to play in the game, however it is much more likely that if he is a 10xbb winner at 2/5 (opportunity cost = 50 $/hr) at selling 75% of his action and assuming a 10xbb winner (lol amirite) at 10/25 (opportunity cost = 62.5 $/hr) so it becomes apparent that even under the rosiest of BS assumptions that it is better to just go crush 2/5.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:32 PM   #4512
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I'm never usually wreckless but its so hard when your railing the game for a few hands and see him bet 5k on the river, get called and announce 9 high and then check call a 2k river bet with 9 of diamonds, 4 diamonds on board and obviously get shown the nuts. Not to forget limp shove with 44s and has everyone on the table covered. I would obviously not be reloading just one bullet attempt if fail then leave n back to normal. But yeah prolly a terrible terrible idea. I would love to buy in short but they made it 10k min, if I could sit with a 2.5k bullet I'm snap in there. I actually ended up buying 10% of someone else's action so now just railing.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:59 PM   #4513
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Eh, it's 10x easier to rail and dream than to actually be in there with a huge portion of your life roll. Imagine a spot where it's you, the whale, and a high stakes pro. The whale shoves all in $25K on J8362 and you have QJ with the pro still to act. $9500 for you to call....

F-that. Your hourly in that game might be $100/hr. So you play 8 hours and "should" win $800. Or you could lose half your life roll and go on super mega tilt.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:20 PM   #4514
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11t,

Most live regs with 50/hour winrates don't play a mix of 1/3 NL and 2/5 NL.

I think dreamchaser is more likely a 30/hour winner at 2/5 NL.

Playing a good short-stack startegy at 10/25 NL could net him 100+/hour.

If he was smart about selling his action, he could charge juice to make the action-selling more worthwhile to him.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:23 PM   #4515
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Wow, 10k minimum 10/25 NL game makes short-stacking impossible.

Good discipline on passing on the game and just buying someone else's action.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:30 PM   #4516
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11t,

Most live regs with 50/hour winrates don't play a mix of 1/3 NL and 2/5 NL.

I think dreamchaser is more likely a 30/hour winner at 2/5 NL.

Playing a good short-stack startegy at 10/25 NL could net him 100+/hour.

If he was smart about selling his action, he could charge juice to make the action-selling more worthwhile to him.
Then you probably aren't going to be a winner at all at a T/25 game
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:33 PM   #4517
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Honestly you have to either have a huge BR, or be super degen/risk love to play T/25. I couldn't imagine playing that game even with staking and with whales.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:34 PM   #4518
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think of poker in terms of BBs, not dollars
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:45 PM   #4519
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If u guys have a 23k life and poker roll and play 1-3, 2-5 everyday and a massive whale (complete spewtard that consistently does 8-9k at 2-5, 20+ in higher games) was sat at a 10-25 game with a 10k min sitdown and a seat open would you take the seat?? All other seats are filled with a mixture of high stakes (5-10-10-25) pros and old reg 5-10 nits. This whale is already stuck 40k and in full gamble mode, if not at what stage would you take this opportunity? This is based on a real situation
Id take 2, 2.5k shots, or 5 1250 shots. Then if i lose it leave. That is with your bankroll
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:56 PM   #4520
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If it was me id take 10k of my 23k. You can always sit and quit if your not feeling it. Easy decision really, what an awesome opportunity. You have to risk money to make money in this game. 1 decent session there could equal 1000 hours of beating your normal game.
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:14 PM   #4521
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Id take 2, 2.5k shots, or 5 1250 shots. Then if i lose it leave. That is with your bankroll
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:30 PM   #4522
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If u guys have a 23k life and poker roll and play 1-3, 2-5 everyday and a massive whale (complete spewtard that consistently does 8-9k at 2-5, 20+ in higher games) was sat at a 10-25 game with a 10k min sitdown and a seat open would you take the seat?? All other seats are filled with a mixture of high stakes (5-10-10-25) pros and old reg 5-10 nits. This whale is already stuck 40k and in full gamble mode, if not at what stage would you take this opportunity? This is based on a real situation
Minimum by-in of 1000BBs?

Yeah I would not take this shot. Even though we sometimes ignore it, there is some "gambling/luck" involved with poker. Even whales can hit flush draws.
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10k min.
Oh yeah theres no chance i would then.

Prob not even if i had 100k, even if 2/3 big fish
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Yeah I would not take this shot. Even though we sometimes ignore it, there is some "gambling/luck" involved with poker. Even whales can hit flush draws.
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WOW..... I am RWORDED.
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