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Old 03-11-2013, 11:42 AM   #4376
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I did my best to keep track of hands per hour in my session yesterday. I managed to do this (hopefully fairly accurately although I wouldn't be surprised if I missed a hand or two) for the first 6 hours of my session, where I then lost interest in keeping up. I also found it a pain to do (constantly remembering to keep track via a chip stacking method which screwed with my chip stack and made it more difficult to count so I knew whether I could top off legally, distracted me, etc.).

38 + 28 + 32 + 32 + 33 + 33 = 32.7 / hour

Table was nitty when it first started but then loosened up to a more normal (although not fantastic) table. 10 handed the majority of hands.

So, yeah, lol sample size, but I have to admit I was really surprised we were getting in that many hands. My guess would have been 25 hands per hour but that guess looks to be out to lunch.

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Old 03-11-2013, 12:40 PM   #4377
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Spike... 10 k is the benchmark for moving up... I started taking shots at 6k and honestly once you see how NOT hard 2/5 generally is you will never want to go back...

In general i find the players are just good enough to range players and they can fold a little easier when u make them think they are beat..But not good enough to really play back, bluff raise etc...in other words you can manipulate them via betsizing....

Where at 1/2 they simply call too much and chase too much..

2/5 def a better game imo and still soft.. Do it.

Also when i started i would buy in for 350-400 and go from there... Thts basically only a little more than a max buyin at 1/2 so the risk is not tht bad all things considered.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:44 PM   #4378
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Advice itt is this: move up to 2/5 where they respect your raises

In all seriousness taking a shot at 2/5 is good but play it when it looks good and don't play it when it looks bad.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:13 PM   #4379
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11 T made me lol...

I wish it was that easy!
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:55 PM   #4380
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You can move up before the 20 buy in rule IF AND ONLY IF you are willing to move down if you lose in the beginning.
Completely agree with this, many people say they are when they aren't and before they know it they are busto.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:24 AM   #4381
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What is the best game for bankroll management with a 3k roll with only these options?

1-2 NL 300 max
1-3 NL 300 max
1-3 NL 500 max
2-5 NL 500 max

Most people in this forum say if you feel you are one of the best players at the table (which I feel I am, when table shopping haha), then always buy in for max. I will be heading to Vegas soon and these are the options it looks like are available. Thanks for input.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:29 AM   #4382
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Are you just playing for fun and bringing $3k with you or is this a serious bankroll? If it's a serious bankroll then 2/5 is out of the question and I would just say play 1/2 and buy in for $200. If you are playing for any longer than 2 days then I would say 2/5 should be out of the question regardless if you are just playing for fun and just play 1/3.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:29 AM   #4383
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:45 AM   #4384
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Basically it's what my wife allows for my Vegas trips.... HAHAH. 5 day trip. I think I am leaning more towards 1-3 for 300. I go pretty much every year sometimes twice a year. Last year I played alot of 1-3 500 max at Caesars, but bought for 300. Played some 2/5 also though. Made about 2k but probably just ran super hot.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:49 AM   #4385
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Play 1/3 $300. If you do well then you can play some 2/5 but $3k can go real fast at 2/5. At 1/3 you should be good.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:53 AM   #4386
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Play 1/3 $300. If you do well then you can play some 2/5 but $3k can go real fast at 2/5. At 1/3 you should be good.
Thoughts on the $500 max 1-3 but BI for $300? Or always do max. There will be an auto dealers convention at Caesars my dates and the last time I was there there was an insurance convention and there was tons of drunk terrible players. Factor in at all?
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:04 AM   #4387
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Thoughts on the $500 max 1-3 but BI for $300? Or always do max. There will be an auto dealers convention at Caesars my dates and the last time I was there there was an insurance convention and there was tons of drunk terrible players. Factor in at all?
If you are comfortable playing 100bbs then I would buy in for that amount. If you are good at playing deeper and play reasonably tight then buying in for $500 at 1/3 should be ok if the table looks good.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:14 AM   #4388
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i am in the midst of a horrible, horrible downswing (basically since christmas), yet i am still +$2800 since sept. 1 at $1/$2. probably down almost $2K this year.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:03 AM   #4389
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What is the best game for bankroll management with a 3k roll with only these options?

1-2 NL 300 max
1-3 NL 300 max
1-3 NL 500 max
2-5 NL 500 max

Most people in this forum say if you feel you are one of the best players at the table (which I feel I am, when table shopping haha), then always buy in for max. I will be heading to Vegas soon and these are the options it looks like are available. Thanks for input.
1-2 300 max AINEC
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:05 AM   #4390
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i am in the midst of a horrible, horrible downswing (basically since christmas), yet i am still +$2800 since sept. 1 at $1/$2. probably down almost $2K this year.
**** i'm happy when I'm not -2k on a session
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:30 AM   #4391
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I'm happy when I haven't spewed off $2k in an hour.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:26 PM   #4392
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1-2 300 max AINEC
Reasoning? More specifically, do you think it's that huge of a difference than 1-3 300 max?

I get the 2-5 is not even close, but the difference between 1-2 and 1-3 both 300 max seems really small.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:33 PM   #4393
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Reasoning? More specifically, do you think it's that huge of a difference than 1-3 300 max?

I get the 2-5 is not even close, but the difference between 1-2 and 1-3 both 300 max seems really small.
I can't believe you people are actually suggesting playing anything above 1/2... its suicide.

There is a big difference between 1/2 and 1/3, especially if u only have a 3k roll.

The 1/2 games at my casino are small. The 1/3 plays more like a 2/5.

You need a minimum of $4k bankroll to play 1/2 you only have $3k...

My advice would be to not play until you build your roll a little higher, or buy-in for $200 at the 1/2 game and play a little tighter.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:43 PM   #4394
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I think this goes back to your definition on bankroll. Since you are a recreational player who doesn't depend on the money for RL expenses and doesn't grind every day or even every week, I think you should play 2/5 and gamble. Also assuming that the 3K isn't so significant to your everyday life.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:44 PM   #4395
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Reasoning? More specifically, do you think it's that huge of a difference than 1-3 300 max?

I get the 2-5 is not even close, but the difference between 1-2 and 1-3 both 300 max seems really small.
It might seem like that, but there's usually more difference than you'd expect.
Think of it this way, if there's a pot sized bet on every street, each dollar that goes in pre flop becomes $27 at the river. So when many pots start multiway, your end of hand pot sizes can easily get $50-$75 bigger than a $1/2 game.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:45 PM   #4396
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This is more of a trip roll than a bankroll which is why I recommended the 1/3. The 1/3 does play more like 2/5 but I think it's unlikely that he blows his entire 3k roll in 5 days playing 1/3.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:48 PM   #4397
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if you are taking 3k with you to have fun with, **** it and play the 2/5 game at the B
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:49 PM   #4398
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People tend to laugh at me when I say 1/2 is significantly different than 1/3. Playing 1/2 is almost tilting for me. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons why I avoid playing at Venetian and MGM when visiting Vegas.

ETA: I do not understand why V and MGM would even run 1/2 instead of 1/3 when it is obviously a smaller game that would attract on average players with less money to gamble.
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People tend to laugh at me when I say 1/2 is significantly different than 1/3. Playing 1/2 is almost tilting for me. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons why I avoid playing at Venetian and MGM when visiting Vegas.

ETA: I do not understand why V and MGM would even run 1/2 instead of 1/3 when it is obviously a smaller game that would attract on average players with less money to gamble.
Because there is a big market for $1/2 games. Many players HAVE less money to gamble, so by offering the games at that level they get a piece of the action from those players.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:02 PM   #4400
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I would much rather play 150bb 1/2 than 100bb 1/3.
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