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Old 03-09-2013, 03:39 PM   #4351
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34.6/hr last night at a pretty juicy table. That was pretty surprising.
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Old 03-09-2013, 03:45 PM   #4352
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Tax season and bad beat jackpot chasers = good for the grinders bankroll.
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Old 03-09-2013, 03:46 PM   #4353
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34.6/hr last night at a pretty juicy table. That was pretty surprising.
I always thought that most tables play less than 30 hands on average...this is pretty surprising.
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Old 03-09-2013, 03:49 PM   #4354
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Yeah, so far it is:

Monday-Wednesday, nitty tables: 39.8.
Thursday, super juicy table: 32.4
Friday, pretty juicy table: 34.6
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:42 PM   #4355
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Yeah, so far it is:

Monday-Wednesday, nitty tables: 39.8.
Thursday, super juicy table: 32.4
Friday, pretty juicy table: 34.6
Why don't you play higher stakes, surely you could have a higher win rate at 2/5?
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:49 PM   #4356
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i made my second br ever last night when KK was no good on QKJK4 board.

hopefully i can make this one last a loooong time...
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:56 PM   #4357
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Why don't you play higher stakes, surely you could have a higher win rate at 2/5?
I'm not rolled for 2/5. I'm playing mainly 1/3 ATM and I'm not rolled for 1/2.

I have explained all this a bunch of times before. Right before BF, I bought a house in Vegas and paid a big tax bill. On BF, the government seized about $40k from me. In not much more than a week, I went from having about $100k in cash lying around to the money I had in my pocket on black Friday--about $1k. That $1k became my BR, and I have been scraping by on it ever since.
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:17 PM   #4358
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Hey Mpethy, you wanna combine rolls and go 50/50 with me?
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:00 PM   #4359
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why the govt seize that money from you? taxes?
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:31 PM   #4360
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For you that may be the case. If poker pays 200k/yr right now and your current job pays 50k with an avg pay increase of 4% then we could argue all day about which one has a future.
You also need to take into account the future value of the 200k each year compounded. Makes it much higher than 4% growth.
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:19 PM   #4361
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why the govt seize that money from you? taxes?
No, online poker.
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:20 PM   #4362
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Hey fellas. What do you think min BR would be for 2/5 if I have a completely segregated BR from life with no pressure whatsoever to extract from it? I think I'm getting close now, but just wanna check.
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:43 PM   #4363
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it is a function of how skilled you are. If you have to ask I would guess you are not a crusher so your requirement will be a higher number...no offense sir. Since BF I have not had a downswing greater than 5.5k in over 3k hours of play at 2/5
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:01 PM   #4364
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I have almost no 2/5 experience. I crush 1/2 for over $20/hr. Some say it's about the same, but I'm reaching BR levels now that I've never had to think about before so just making sure I'm not jumping prematurely.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:04 PM   #4365
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that is quite strong...I am sure you will have almost no problem with 2/5. What is your roll at currently?
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:14 PM   #4366
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I'm currently sitting on ~$8k. I had set 10K as my official make the jump mark, but I'm thinking I might be able to do a little shot taking if the opportunity presents itself.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:19 PM   #4367
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oh ya!! dude 8k is ample to take shots with...your w/r is so strong at 1/2 that even if you drop 3k shot taking you will be WAY overrolled if you have to step it down. Start playing 2/5 on the weekends.

GL but you most likely will not need too much!
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:44 PM   #4368
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Sit at 2/5 on a weekend, buy in for the minimum and nit it up to the max. Just for a little bit. If your expectation is -2bb/hr that's great, anything above that is just gravy. Then watch every second of every hand until you're confident that you can profit.

Also try to glance at the 2/5 game while you're there playing 1/2. Try to spot the regs and which ones are good and which ones are bad.

Why dive headfirst into higher stakes when intelligence is so cheap?
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:54 PM   #4369
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well i have a ridiculously soft 1/2 game 10 minutes from my house and the 2/5 is about 40 min away. I'll probably start hitting the 2.5 on the weekends as you say. I fear my win rate may be bloated due to the really bad competition, but I suppose that's true of all 1/2. I'm never scared money, but i am a bank roll nit.
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Old 03-10-2013, 04:12 AM   #4370
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With that WR and that roll, you should be shotting 2/5 no question. If you are a rec player, you should just go ahead and move up.
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:34 AM   #4371
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well i have a ridiculously soft 1/2 game 10 minutes from my house and the 2/5 is about 40 min away. I'll probably start hitting the 2.5 on the weekends as you say. I fear my win rate may be bloated due to the really bad competition, but I suppose that's true of all 1/2. I'm never scared money, but i am a bank roll nit.
$8k should be enough to take a few weekend shots at $2/5. Even if you drop a BI there you should be able to grind it back during the week at $1/2.

Some of the regs that play $2/5 downtown are lol-bad. So based on your posts I don't think you'd have any trouble winning in the game once you figure out who's who. There's also a $5-5 game at the Heidelberg that runs on Sundays, I'm not sure how much deeper than a standard $2/5 it plays, but I've heard that it's a good game. (And it should be much closer.)
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:28 AM   #4372
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With that WR and that roll, you should be shotting 2/5 no question. If you are a rec player, you should just go ahead and move up.
yea, +1.

the 20 buy-in rule is pretty arbitrary if you're not dependent on the money (ie. poker doesn't pay the rent).
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:00 AM   #4373
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You can move up before the 20 buy in rule IF AND ONLY IF you are willing to move down if you lose in the beginning.
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:01 PM   #4374
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$8k should be enough to take a few weekend shots at $2/5. Even if you drop a BI there you should be able to grind it back during the week at $1/2.

Some of the regs that play $2/5 downtown are lol-bad. So based on your posts I don't think you'd have any trouble winning in the game once you figure out who's who. There's also a $5-5 game at the Heidelberg that runs on Sundays, I'm not sure how much deeper than a standard $2/5 it plays, but I've heard that it's a good game. (And it should be much closer.)
I might check that out. Is it the same crap game as their regular 1/2 though? I've never played cash at the Berg, but I've seen it and heard about it and all opinions say it's a grind. Heading downtown has its own appeal as well.

Ike- I love my current 1/2 game so moving down would be no problem. I'll probably still grind the 1/2 part time d/t time and distance
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:56 PM   #4375
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I might check that out. Is it the same crap game as their regular 1/2 though? I've never played cash at the Berg, but I've seen it and heard about it and all opinions say it's a grind. Heading downtown has its own appeal as well.

Ike- I love my current 1/2 game so moving down would be no problem. I'll probably still grind the 1/2 part time d/t time and distance
I've heard that it's juicy, but I haven't been to the room in a long time, because of how bad the $1/2 game was. It's probably at least worth checking out. There are probably a fe guys in the Detoit thread that know more about it (as well as the other $2/5 games around).
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