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Old 02-18-2013, 03:26 PM   #4101
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Plus the truth is, if you have to ask whether you're a winning player, you're probably not one, or barely is one.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:28 PM   #4102
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****, if you have never sat outside watching the sunset and asked yourself if you are even a winning player then you don't even know what poker is all about.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:25 PM   #4103
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Allow me to post a "reality check" graph in the happy thread. All at 1/2.



Total Hours 356.87
Total Winnings $2,809.00
Winrate $7.87
Standard Dev $162.63

whatever, winning is winning, even when it's not for 250 hours
WOW! This looks so much like mine
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:20 PM   #4104
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I lost 1800 in the last 7 session. It's the biggest downswing I've ever had in 700 hrs of play. My confidence has been completely screwed by this. I got to pay my car insurance in two days. Should I keep playing or take a break? I'm not tilted but I don't know how to get my confidence back.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:28 PM   #4105
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I lost 1800 in the last 7 session. It's the biggest downswing I've ever had in 700 hrs of play. My confidence has been completely screwed by this. I got to pay my car insurance in two days. Should I keep playing or take a break? I'm not tilted but I don't know how to get my confidence back.
Keep grinding.

You have to play the hours anyway.

If you take a week off and come back, the situation is still the same.

"DOWN $1800 IN MY LAST 7 SESSIONS."

You can't run from it.

It will all turn around for you soon and you'll go on a 5-10 session win streak.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:44 PM   #4106
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Keep grinding.

You have to play the hours anyway.

If you take a week off and come back, the situation is still the same.

"DOWN $1800 IN MY LAST 7 SESSIONS."

You can't run from it.

It will all turn around for you soon and you'll go on a 5-10 session win streak.
That's my mindset before starting the session, that I'm going to start a winning streak. The losing streak did help me with tilt control, for example, I lost a big pot where I had top two with KQ against a set of QQ and I didn't feel any emotion. Would a solid winning player (by 2+2 standards) have a profit every month or are losing months inevitable?
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:49 PM   #4107
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depends on volume

losing months are inevitable
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:07 PM   #4108
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Keep in mind that months are arbitrary markers. There is no better reason to summarize your data by calendar months than there is to start on the 12th of each month or the 23rd or to use a lunar calendar. (I had a horrible Kislev but my Tevet and Shevat were awesome!) You can always find winning Xs (unit of time measurement) and losing Xs in your data if you slice it the right way so resist the urge to put too much meaning in those measures.

As for the question of playing or taking a break, I think you will find two types of personalities and therefore two camps. One group needs positive feedback to rebuild confidence and are therefore better off playing through the downswing, as the cards will eventually balance out. The other group needs to separate from the source of stress and reset their mental balance away from the table before they can go back in with confidence. Figure out which type of player you are - honestly - and take the appropriate path.

Having said this, mistaking oneself for the former (play through it) when one really is the latter (take a break) is (a) incredibly common and (b) a huge leak.

Good luck turning it around.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:52 PM   #4109
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I had a relatively crappy last 3 months of 2012 where I netted about 2k. Last night I broke my 9 session win streak w/a $44 loser. At the beginning of the year my win rate was $17.50/hr now it's just over $21/hr. Just goes to show how a heater can effect your hourly when you haven't logged tons of hours, just 655 for me. This is all at 1/2nl.

My last 17 sessions, 11 are in this month:



For the year:

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Old 02-19-2013, 07:42 PM   #4110
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Keep in mind that months are arbitrary markers. There is no better reason to summarize your data by calendar months than there is to start on the 12th of each month or the 23rd or to use a lunar calendar. (I had a horrible Kislev but my Tevet and Shevat were awesome!) You can always find winning Xs (unit of time measurement) and losing Xs in your data if you slice it the right way so resist the urge to put too much meaning in those measures.

As for the question of playing or taking a break, I think you will find two types of personalities and therefore two camps. One group needs positive feedback to rebuild confidence and are therefore better off playing through the downswing, as the cards will eventually balance out. The other group needs to separate from the source of stress and reset their mental balance away from the table before they can go back in with confidence. Figure out which type of player you are - honestly - and take the appropriate path.

Having said this, mistaking oneself for the former (play through it) when one really is the latter (take a break) is (a) incredibly common and (b) a huge leak.

Good luck turning it around.
I like this advice.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:01 PM   #4111
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I lost 1800 in the last 7 session. It's the biggest downswing I've ever had in 700 hrs of play. My confidence has been completely screwed by this. I got to pay my car insurance in two days. Should I keep playing or take a break? I'm not tilted but I don't know how to get my confidence back.
You're truly blessed if that is your biggest downswing. You should not lose any confidence.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:11 AM   #4112
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No one that puts in the proper amount of time here studying should ever lose confidence.

Those who post here have access to the best llnsl advice on the planet and if they are failing to win it's because they aren't executing the proper plays on the felt.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:20 AM   #4113
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:53 AM   #4114
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No one that puts in the proper amount of time here studying should ever lose confidence.

Those who post here have access to the best llnsl advice on the planet and if they are failing to win it's because they aren't executing the proper plays on the felt.
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Well said man
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:11 PM   #4115
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Lost over $40k last year in losing sessions and over $8k so far this year.

Who want to try to beat that? 2/5 almost in its entirety.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:37 PM   #4116
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Why does losing sessions sum total even matter? I have never calculated this, only net winnings.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:24 PM   #4117
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There's really no purpose of it, just thought it might be interesting to compare.
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Old 02-20-2013, 11:00 PM   #4118
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I lost 1800 in the last 7 session. It's the biggest downswing I've ever had in 700 hrs of play. My confidence has been completely screwed by this. I got to pay my car insurance in two days. Should I keep playing or take a break? I'm not tilted but I don't know how to get my confidence back.
This is akin to Ron Jeremy complaining that the cold weather shrinks his dong to 9-inches and he feels small in the winter time and so he only prefers to bang two girls at a time instead of his usual three...
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:21 AM   #4119
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This is akin to Ron Jeremy complaining that the cold weather shrinks his dong to 9-inches and he feels small in the winter time and so he only prefers to bang two girls at a time instead of his usual three...
lol. I apologize if I made my downswing such a big deal when it's not. I don't have any poker buddies and I just joined 2p2 so I am not aware of what normal swings are for a grinder.
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:56 AM   #4120
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Why does losing sessions sum total even matter? I have never calculated this, only net winnings.
Can't you write your losses off if you declare as a professional gambler?
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:04 PM   #4121
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Can't you write your losses off if you declare as a professional gambler?
take it to the tax forum, but only to the extent you have winnings to offset. You can't claim a net income of -10,000 from gambling.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:29 PM   #4122
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Why does losing sessions sum total even matter? I have never calculated this, only net winnings.
In the US, it matters for tax purposes.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:16 AM   #4123
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Oh I am not american so I didn't know. Sounds like a pretty stupid way of calculating taxes IMO.

Anyhoo, do you guys add in the hours you spend driving to the casino and waiting at the casino for a seat to open when calculating hourly?
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:21 AM   #4124
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Do you get paid to drive to work?
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:33 AM   #4125
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Do you get paid to drive to work?
No but I do get paid when I am not working at work.
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