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Old 02-14-2013, 10:43 AM   #4001
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

I highly recommend against this unless you are totally fine burning 2k. Grind the 1/2 to 5k, but even then that's low, 10k is the recommended bankroll for 2/5.

That said, I would do the 4x 100bb, but there is an argument to be made for shortstacking. You need to have discipline, understand ss play, and have the right table.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:47 AM   #4002
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

i say 4 100bb because at least then you can get a feel for the game and learn a bit. When you short stack it more of picking your spots to get it in, and hope villains are incompetent or get coolered/run bad.

With 100bb at least then you can bluff raise, float, check raise etc. in addition to profitably setmine etc.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:54 AM   #4003
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

4 x 100bb and have a job is the right answer. Otherwise, keep check raising donks at 1/2.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:59 AM   #4004
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:17 AM   #4005
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

I think it's ok to take a shot at 1/2 with $2k. Just play tight and aggressively. 2/5? LoL, might as well just let it all ride on black.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:31 AM   #4006
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Hence the usage of "shot"

I'm rolled for 1-2

Instead of waiting til I grind up to 8-9k bankroll, I'm willing to risk 2k in order to expedite moving up, fully knowing and being comfortable with going back to grinding 1-2 if i bust(inb4 'when')til I can afford another shot
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:34 AM   #4007
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

I asked basically this same question in the Winrates/Bankrolls thread here

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17.../index257.html

There is some fairly good discussion there. I can't say how it worked out as I am recently on a large downswing and never got a chance to take a shot.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:45 AM   #4008
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

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Hence the usage of "shot"

I'm rolled for 1-2

Instead of waiting til I grind up to 8-9k bankroll, I'm willing to risk 2k in order to expedite moving up, fully knowing and being comfortable with going back to grinding 1-2 if i bust(inb4 'when')til I can afford another shot
Just to clarify the situation here:

You have a bankroll larger than $2K, but you are wanting to take $2K out of that amount and attempt to move up to $2/5 with the understanding that you will resume playing $1/2 if you bust the $2K.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:00 PM   #4009
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Just to clarify the situation here:

You have a bankroll larger than $2K, but you are wanting to take $2K out of that amount and attempt to move up to $2/5 with the understanding that you will resume playing $1/2 if you bust the $2K.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:19 PM   #4010
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

I like 4x100BB, and do everything in your power to table select (play during drunken holiday weekend, etc).

Good luck.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:19 PM   #4011
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

Meh, I say go for it. It's not like $2K is life changing money and if you can get your foot in the door playing $2/5, good for you. It'd be different if you only had $2K and you were being reckless with no plan B. Always have a plan B.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:18 PM   #4012
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

The short answer is:
There is no set amount of money you "need" to play, what you will need is to already be a winning player -othewise you're already a loser and will continue losing at any stake.
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The long answer, some explaination:

Serious question, do you just want to spend the $2k?

Or are you already a winning player w/ solid historical data and ready to try the next level up?

In other words, are you just looking for an "excuse" to spend the money, be able to say you "tried it"?

There is no good business reason, and its not strategically correct to move to $2/5 if you're not already beating a lower stakes game; 1) the larger games are not easier 2) you're not all of a sudden going to *become* a winning a player because of "luck" or some other reason.

The single biggest question I'd be asking myself is WHY? Why do you want to play $2/5.
- If you're answer is anything other than "I'm currently beating the lower stakes game I'm playing and ready to try the next level", then obviously you can still do whatever you want, but you'll know you're a loser before you start.


As a practical matter a winning player requires less of a BR than a break even or losing player, and can keep moving up in stakes & have more opportunity to make more $....because they're always adding to their roll. I could have $2k in my pocket and play $2/5 for months and months and make a decent amount, and everytime I get an extra $5k I'll use that $ for soemthign else, but still always have $2k in my pocket....

Regardless of all of the BS thats talked about and written about, kindly keep in mind that *most* poker players are long term losers. There's nothing wrong with this, its simply a true and accurate fact.

best wishes to you sir,....
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:19 PM   #4013
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I beat 1-2, I wouldn't try to move up if I didn't

My question was, if I was going to take an amount of money I'm comfortable losing, 2k, and take a shot at 2-5, what would give me the best chance of breaking through, 6 short stacks, 5 80bb, 4 100bb
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:25 PM   #4014
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

I took a shot at 2/5 with 6k total. 2k (4 $500 BI's @ 2/5) and 4K (20 $200 BI's @1/2 if I failed). Made $1500 my first session, been playing since.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:26 PM   #4015
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I vote 4 $500 BI's
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:59 PM   #4016
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Re: Best way to take a shot at 2-5 with 2k

80bbs is an obnoxious amount anyway. I'd say either short stack it for real or keep 4 full bullets.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:17 PM   #4017
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20.95 BB or 41.90bb per hour over the last 97.6 hours this year so far. Been running good since Nov. With only one, five game loosing streek that was a mixture of brutal beats soon followed by bad play on my part, few loosing sessions scattered in between.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:12 PM   #4018
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grunching just play 1/2, youre not even rolled for that
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:21 PM   #4019
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grunching just play 1/2, youre not even rolled for that
don't listen to this. unless you are trying to play professionally, play what you want. if you play $2/$5 and lose, move down. i've moved up and then moved back down. it's not about ego.

as for the original question: buy in for 100 BB.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:25 PM   #4020
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don't listen to this. unless you are trying to play professionally, play what you want. if you play $2/$5 and lose, move down. i've moved up and then moved back down. it's not about ego.

as for the original question: buy in for 100 BB.


well i didnt read what the OPs situation was but yea that advise is fine if you can re-load and dont care about losing $2k

4 BI downswings are pretty standard and youll probably not play your best without a sufficient BR
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:37 PM   #4021
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well i didnt read what the OPs situation was but yea that advise is fine if you can re-load and dont care about losing $2k

4 BI downswings are pretty standard and youll probably not play your best without a sufficient BR
he's taking a shot ... i've done it. you set aside X ... it allows you to play your best for that given night. i'm never going to lose more than X buyins in a night. you set a stop/loss for yourself. so now you're doing it at $2$5 with more money. 4 buyins is sufficient.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:39 PM   #4022
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yea i mean if he can re-load and the money isnt that important, then its fine
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:48 PM   #4023
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Take one shot of 5/10 if it doesn't matter.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:54 AM   #4024
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don't listen to this. unless you are trying to play professionally, play what you want. if you play $2/$5 and lose, move down.
WTH kind of advice is this?!? If you lose, you are supposed to MOVE UP in order to win your money back OMG duh (unless you are trying to be a professional or something).
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:01 AM   #4025
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As for stack size, just play what you are comfortable with. Buying in short doesn't lessen the variance all that much. (and certainly not enough to overcome your tiny bankroll).
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