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Old 02-09-2013, 06:58 PM   #3926
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yea you guys are right

wasnt thinking
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:16 AM   #3927
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how would that happen? like you dont bring your full bankroll with you to the game?
I usually bring 6 buyins
Backer has different ideas about that so I bring what I am allotted and I leave when I can no longer maintain the table max or a 100bb stack, whichever is smaller
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:19 AM   #3928
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how often do you go -5.5 BIs or whatever?
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:39 AM   #3929
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Five full 100bb buyins?

Close to never. I usually give up after the third one. I've been stuck 6 buyins in a 1/3 game though. Those game are so monotonous and easy that staying and playing is almost always plus ev unless u tilt alot. The "bad image" thing is a joke. If people call you down lighter than usual just tighten up and value bet wider and bigger post. Ez game. I like it when people call me down with junk tbh.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:41 AM   #3930
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Five full 100bb buyins?

Close to never. I usually give up after the third one. I've been stuck 6 buyins in a 1/3 game though. Those game are so monotonous and easy that staying and playing is almost always plus ev unless u tilt alot. The "bad image" thing is a joke. If people call you down lighter than usual just tighten up and value bet wider and bigger post. Ez game. I like it when people call me down with junk tbh.
interesting. cool, thanks for sharing man i always value your advice
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:00 AM   #3931
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I think it's -ev for most to play past the 2nd felting at 1/2 or 1/3...

Playing past a third felting, you're moving into a potential "catastrophic session" that can crush your bankroll or win rate.

It seems just so much easier to "play with the lead" than "play from behind" during a session.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:04 AM   #3932
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Honestly bring your stop loss amount if you have one and IMO play down till you have 50bb left (including the money in your pocket) then call it a day. I personally don't have a stop loss
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:07 AM   #3933
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I am like Adam Sandler in "The Water Boy"....

After my 2nd felting I get so sick in the mind every player's head at the poker table transforms into a fish, a donkey, or a drooling baby laughing at me that they have my cash....

I have to just run away or monkey tilt will ensue...
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:46 AM   #3934
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I am like Adam Sandler in "The Water Boy"....

After my 2nd felting I get so sick in the mind every player's head at the poker table transforms into a fish, a donkey, or a drooling baby laughing at me that they have my cash....

I have to just run away or monkey tilt will ensue...
lol great comparison
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:52 PM   #3935
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I have kept rebuying after being stuck 3k in 3/5 NL, stuck 5k in 5/5 NL, and stuck 10k in 5/10 NL.

Basically, I recommend rebuying unlimited amounts when Hero is not tilting and when Hero is still in a good game.

While I do believe that a winning image is usually better than a losing image, sometimes the game is too good to get up.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:27 AM   #3936
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I like a losing image, people will be more willing to play massive pots with me.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:28 AM   #3937
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I have kept rebuying after being stuck 3k in 3/5 NL, stuck 5k in 5/5 NL, and stuck 10k in 5/10 NL.

Basically, I recommend rebuying unlimited amounts when Hero is not tilting and when Hero is still in a good game.

While I do believe that a winning image is usually better than a losing image, sometimes the game is too good to get up.
That sucks to hear you got stuck that much, were able to battle back that same night?
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:47 AM   #3938
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I have kept rebuying after being stuck 3k in 3/5 NL, stuck 5k in 5/5 NL, and stuck 10k in 5/10 NL.

Basically, I recommend rebuying unlimited amounts when Hero is not tilting and when Hero is still in a good game.

While I do believe that a winning image is usually better than a losing image, sometimes the game is too good to get up.
I dont agree with this at all. You must have a stop loss because even if your still +ev you are still influenced by way to many previous decisions/outcomes that may inhibit your future play. I cant fathom losing 10bi and just shake it off... And I cant see how any "pro" could be ok with this. Im speaking NLH ofc.

my stop loss is 3 buyins
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:48 AM   #3939
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I dont agree with this at all. You must have a stop loss because even if your still +ev you are still influenced by way to many previous decisions/outcomes that may inhibit your future play. I cant fathom losing 10bi and just shake it off... And I cant see how any "pro" could be ok with this. Im speaking NLH ofc.

my stop loss is 3 buyins
some people really never tilt
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:20 AM   #3940
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Considering that I am extremely over-rolled for games up to 5/10 NL, I don't tilt from being stuck 750bb+.

Obviously, 99% of other regs aren't over-rolled like that, so they do go on tilt ehen they are stuck 750bb+. They should probably quit before they tilt off the rrst of their money.

In any case, it just depends on your honesty with yourself.

FWIW, I have also won 8k+ in one 5/5 NL session and 20k+ in one 5/10 NL session. In the 5/5 NL session where I won 8k+, I was initially stuck 4k and refused to leave because the whale had 4k in front of him. He ended up gifting me 4k drawing dead all-in on the flop. So, yeah, I am extremely glad that I didn't quit stuck 4k because I ended up going on a 12k+ upswing later that session.

I have also left good games when I know I am tilting. On occasion, I have even left a good game even when I was winning because I knew I was tilting despite.my winning.

It all comes down to each individual situation.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:24 AM   #3941
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So you're offering your advice for that 1%er?
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:30 AM   #3942
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I feel that a stop-loss is good for people who are bad at being honest with themselves.

If you are good at being honest with yourself, you don't need a stop-loss.

FWIW, most of the live poker crushers with the highest hourlies don't use a stop-loss.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:33 AM   #3943
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Not to be results-oriented, most of my big wins have come from sessions where I started off stuck like a pig.

So I am pretty biased about this subject.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:39 AM   #3944
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I feel that a stop-loss is good for people who are bad at being honest with themselves.

If you are good at being honest with yourself, you don't need a stop-loss.

FWIW, most of the live poker crushers with the highest hourlies don't use a stop-loss.
X2

If your playing your A game there should be no reason to leave the table if your stuck a few buyins. Poker is one long session, so leaving when your already there is just delaying the inevitable.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:42 AM   #3945
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I am also the guy who will quit a poker session after playing only one hour because some idiot started an argument with me and put me on tilt. I would cash out my chips and then drive home cursing that guy all the way. Seems ******ed to drive to the casino and only play one hour before driving all the way back home again, but I knew I was tilting from the argument with the idiot, so I said "F*&k this, casinos are open 24/7 anyway!"

Then I would come back to the same casino the next day and then put in a 14 hour session because the game was THAT good.
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some people really never tilt
everyone tilts.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:50 AM   #3947
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no everyone poops
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:54 AM   #3948
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Tilt is an emotional response, so if you have emotion, you will tilt.
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:05 AM   #3949
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When can you take out some profit from bankroll to pay expenses, etc.?
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:23 AM   #3950
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Puke all over my win rate this weekend.
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