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Old 02-05-2013, 07:02 PM   #3901
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I wish there was a way to verify live winnings. I'd try to win 10k in a month at 1/2 if there was a propbet involved.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:05 PM   #3902
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Ha, I do appreciate the love. I mean I very rarely "spew" in the absolute sense of the term but what can you do. I don't make excuses, I just have to play better.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:05 PM   #3903
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For most rec players willing to replenish, I'd say 5 2/5 buy ins is enough to take a shot. If you don't want to replenish, then you can wait for maybe $4k or you can take a really nitty shot now.

Here's how I take nitty shots on a short roll:

I have a stop loss (mine is 1 buy in). This means that as long as I am on the shot, I will drop back down if I ever lose a buy in to below what I had when I started the shot. So if I lose a buy in ( even to a bad beat) the first night, I'm done, I drop down until I make that $500 back, and I start over. If I win $300 the first night, I'm on an $800 shot.

If you keep doing this, and you have an edge at 2/5, eventually you'll run hot enough (just not running bad, really) to have won enough to make the move semi-permanent--that is, you'll be thinking of yourself as a 2/5 player who will drop down if his BR ever gets down to X.

Rec players should be VERY aggro with taking small shots repeatedy. Rec players unwilling to replenish only need to be a little nittier about taking really small shots.

Here's another shot method you can use, maybe better than the first:

Sit at 1/2 as usual, and buy in as usual. But every single time your stack hits $500, rack up, and go sit in the 2/5 game for the rest of the night. Psychologically, you're leveraging money that you haven't added to your roll yet, and it's easier to play well with your profits from that night plus a regular 1/2 buy in being your only risk.

This sort of shot is self-sustaining, you can't take worse than a $200 hit to your roll using it, and you get 2/5 table time in bite sized pieces, and only on nights on which you're all full of piss and vinegar cuz you've been crushing 1/2.
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even with all the bantering between all of ya...I enjoy the heck out of guys like you who've been banging at this a long time! (Mpethy! how ya been...long time no talk to. We did a PM or two.)

I learn a lot with your thoughts and advice and quite frankly I actually decipher some good **** from your banters too!! LOL

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Old 02-05-2013, 07:09 PM   #3904
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Guys,
even with all the bantering between all of ya...I enjoy the heck out of guys like you who've been banging at this a long time! (Mpethy! how ya been...long time no talk to. We did a PM or two.)

I learn a lot with your thoughts and advice and quite frankly I actually decipher some good **** from your banters too!! LOL

Keep 'em coming. 2+2 rocks!!
Bugsy!! Post more. Freeloader.

Just had the worst year of my life in which a family member didn't die. Hanging on. Barely.

Hope things have been well with you.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:28 PM   #3905
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I've played 70 hours at 1/2, up $224.00.

I've played 12 hours at 2/5, down $1074.00.

I am a fish, come play against me in Detroit and take my cash.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:17 AM   #3906
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This thread needs some more meaningless winrate bragging imo

first 400hrs at 2/5 I'm ~8bb/hr. my game is 200-500 buyin, 6+1 rake. hourly wise that's about where i was at 1/2 but i'm putting in way more hrs/month now that I was then. not quite crushing the game yet but i'm happy with where i'm at. most of my leaks revolve around trying to win every pot i vpip postflop and i'm working on eliminating some of that spew. my goal for the next 400 hrs is to be over 12bb/hr at 2/5 and taking shots at 5/10. much easier said than done.


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Also everybody posts better than they play! Ha, but I play pretty well on average.
heh this is funny to me because I've actually told people that I play better than I post before. Writing and articulating my thought process has never been a strong suit for me.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:34 AM   #3907
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How do you guys deal with moving down in stakes?

Long story short Jan was my worst poker month ever and I lost more than 10k between running bad, playing bad, and taking shots at 5/10nl while in Vegas and 5/5plo at home. Roll is pretty short and I don't want to play 1/2 because of the ego hit. Dealers/players saying "no 2/5 tonight?" would drive me nuts. I know the right thing to do at this point (2k roll) is to move down until I have about 4 or 5k but i'm really unhappy about doing so.

Thoughts? Comments? Advise?
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:43 AM   #3908
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man and deal with it

also you were playing way way under rolled, this was inevitable. learn from your mistakes.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:44 AM   #3909
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heh this is funny to me because I've actually told people that I play better than I post before. Writing and articulating my thought process has never been a strong suit for me.
you probably just don't play or post well!
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:46 AM   #3910
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I would definitely move down if I was in your situation. Say that you have a propbet going with a fish that says 1-2 is unbeatable if they ask why you're playing 1-2.

Yes it sucks and ego is a hell of a thing, but you know what you need to do and 4 buyins is destined to end badly.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:37 PM   #3911
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The peer pressure to stay high is what keeps the games so good. Regs who do not want to play in game that they might beat since they'd look foolish sitting at the kiddy table kept me alive from '03--08.

Being proud with no bankroll < playing a game below your perceived skill level. Fortunately, the regs from the paragraph above could replenish at will.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:38 PM   #3912
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How do you guys deal with moving down in stakes?

Long story short Jan was my worst poker month ever and I lost more than 10k between running bad, playing bad, and taking shots at 5/10nl while in Vegas and 5/5plo at home. Roll is pretty short and I don't want to play 1/2 because of the ego hit. Dealers/players saying "no 2/5 tonight?" would drive me nuts. I know the right thing to do at this point (2k roll) is to move down until I have about 4 or 5k but i'm really unhappy about doing so.

Thoughts? Comments? Advise?
Holy ****. Playing 2/5 regularly with 2k would be a disaster.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:18 PM   #3913
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Well, maybe you guys are right about playing nit with a 100 stack at 1/2.

I had a 650 dollar upswing, then a 750 dollar downswing. Though buying in for 300 that's a miniscule swing, for me it's horrible. I probably shouldn't play until I earn enough at my job to set 2k aside for poker.

Though I don't think I hit a single set in the last 60 hours of playing, and have had the chance lots of times. Since that's a huge part of the nit strategy, I could just be running bad, or run-bad mixed with tilt.

Do you guys like Ed Miller's cash games book? I have NLTaP by Sklansky, but I've read that that's really more for middle stakes. I remember the first time I read it, it felt a bit too in depth.

Btw, I'm mostly a nit because I'm used to playing PLO8 where donkeys will literally GIVE you their money, and all you have to do is wait.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:22 PM   #3914
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I'm wondering how to properly exercise a stop-loss. Say my stop-loss at 1/2 is going to be 2 BI. So I go to the casino with $400, buy in for $200. Say after a few missed cbets, etc, my stack gets close to $100, so I top off to $200. Then we get felted KK vs. AA or something. Now we have only $100 left.

Do we call it a day, down 1.5 bi's? Do we play shortstacked? Or do we have an extra hundo in our pocket for situations like this?
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:44 PM   #3915
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I call it a day once I can no longer keep a full stack
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:54 PM   #3916
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If you pull out an extra hundred, then your potential loss is now $500, not $400, so that is not adhering to your stop loss.

Your options are either move into short stack mode with the last $100 or call it a day. Very little good can come from playing the last $100. More often than not, you bleed down to $80, then $60, and then you are that guy who is obviously just going to stick around until you run out of money. Don't be that guy.

Cliffs...call it a day.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:15 PM   #3917
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At 1/2 I use a 2 buy in stop loss, but it's really a $500 stop loss because I always do make sure my chips are topped up at 1/2.

However, if I hit the felt twice, $200 and then $200, I leave.

I just can't stand sitting with a stack lower than $170 at 1/2 ever.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:50 PM   #3918
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:53 PM   #3919
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I call it a day once I can no longer keep a full stack
what does this even mean
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:19 PM   #3920
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If I do not have enough money left to keep my stack at 100bbs then I leave
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:38 PM   #3921
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If I do not have enough money left to keep my stack at 100bbs then I leave
how would that happen? like you dont bring your full bankroll with you to the game?
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:47 PM   #3922
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If you are bringing your entire bankroll to a game you are either really under rolled or a security hazard.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:48 PM   #3923
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atm?
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:50 PM   #3924
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how would that happen? like you dont bring your full bankroll with you to the game?
Lol you serious?
Who the **** takes their whole BR to the casino...? Unless your BR is like 3BI.
Also putting your BR in a checkings account is not the best idea for a ton of people...
Also paying $4 for atm fees is dumb lol
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:53 PM   #3925
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most atms only let you get $500 and you end up paying large fees at a casino.

Bad habit to use them imo. Bring an appropriate amount for the game you plan on playing. If you lose that its probably a good idea to call it a night.
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