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Old 02-03-2013, 08:16 PM   #3826
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lol @ having more $ on bovada than in the bank...something wrong with that picture. My advice is get a job and play on the side so that losses don't totally crush you. When you're worried about losing the money, you will play less than optimal poker and it will affect you mentally. Just about anyone can get a job as a server in a restaurant and pull in $100-200/night working hard, even at a relatively inexpensive place.
most places require experience first, definitely not just anyone can get that job
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:45 AM   #3827
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Just to give you guys some perspective on variance, I had a $2500 downswing in 1/2 NL in December and I am winning at 16.5bb/hour over like 1000 hours at 1/2 in total. I have since recovered from it but **** $2500 at 1/2 is crazy.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:49 AM   #3828
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did you spew and tilt too or it was all just downswing?
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:52 AM   #3829
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did you spew and tilt too or it was all just downswing?
There was spew and tilt ofc...but I dont think I have ever really had a downswing and not spewed/tilted.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:08 AM   #3830
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ok that makes mores sense then

if youre playing your a-game the entire time, its hard to lose 12.5 BI at 1/2 live
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:38 AM   #3831
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Game is $500 max and plays bigger than 1/2 tho. Still $2500 is ridiculous.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:40 AM   #3832
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Game is $500 max and plays bigger than 1/2 tho. Still $2500 is ridiculous.
well if youre buying in for $500, -5 BI downswing isnt too unheard of
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:55 AM   #3833
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Game is $500 max and plays bigger than 1/2 tho. Still $2500 is ridiculous.
Uncapped 1/2 game is likely to be played bigger than a lot of 5/10 games, and $500 max BI 1/2 is probably a lot closer to 3/5.
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:21 PM   #3834
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Game is $500 max and plays bigger than 1/2 tho. Still $2500 is ridiculous.
My capped 1/2 game I've had like 2200 and 2000 downswing. So 2500 in your game is nothing.
Granted I probably play a more looseygoosey style than you nitlords
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:25 PM   #3835
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You're a luck box, sir.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:11 PM   #3836
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When I am on a downswing I play more LAGgy. You mother****er donked $15 into a pot of $110 into me. I am raising to $150 and shipping river with my god damn ace king. It's funny when you are running bad and some passive guy raises your flop cbet huge with top pair and shows you his hand after you fold and says "I raised because you don't hit good hands very often"
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:14 PM   #3837
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ANL said it best. Playing with a bad image is like having your hands tied behind your back.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:20 PM   #3838
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It's funny when you are running bad and some passive guy raises your flop cbet huge with top pair and shows you his hand after you fold and says "I raised because you don't hit good hands very often"
I found your biggest leak. You play deepstack 1/2. You shouldn't be b/f deep with tp otf. Work on call/reevaluate betsizing. Many players will raise tp/draw otf and check turn. Or they will telegraph the relative strength of their hand with bet sizing. Most if not all of llsnl plays turn exploitable.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:42 PM   #3839
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ANL said it best. Playing with a bad image is like having your hands tied behind your back.
Elaborate?
This makes it sound like there is nothing you can do about having a bad/losing image.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:49 PM   #3840
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Essentially you don't have much fold equity, and therefore the optimal way of playing is reduced down to value betting...

If we are playing the game only to value bet, it would feel like our hands are tied behind our back.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:52 PM   #3841
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I agree with losing image=0 fold equity comment. Although this can be good when we are getting cards it does really tie our hands behind our backs
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:04 PM   #3842
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Essentially you don't have much fold equity, and therefore the optimal way of playing is reduced down to value betting...

If we are playing the game only to value bet, it would feel like our hands are tied behind our back.
Yeah, true.
But we get to value bet wayyyy lighter.
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:05 PM   #3843
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It's catch 22, because we lose those hands, hence run bad and bad image.
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I'm gonna post a question.

I have a poker-only bankroll of 2.5k that I ground up from $400 bucks (with no rebuys, I ran good in the beginning!) playing 1/2NL. I have played for 40 hours a month for about 6 months with winrates of between $12-$20 dollars an hour.

I have a secure life bank roll, but don't really want to contribute more to my poker roll. The 2/5 is fairly soft and has a max buyin of $500. When should I start taking shots? Is 2.5k enough?
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Do it at $300 a pop is a good plan.
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:49 PM   #3846
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I'm gonna post a question.

I have a poker-only bankroll of 2.5k that I ground up from $400 bucks (with no rebuys, I ran good in the beginning!) playing 1/2NL. I have played for 40 hours a month for about 6 months with winrates of between $12-$20 dollars an hour.

I have a secure life bank roll, but don't really want to contribute more to my poker roll. The 2/5 is fairly soft and has a max buyin of $500. When should I start taking shots? Is 2.5k enough?
2.5k isnt even enough for 1/2 especially if you dont want to replenish if you get low

id get your BR up to like 4k where its fine for 1/2 and then take a 1 BI shot at 2/5
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Do it at $300 a pop is a good plan.
I thought about that, but i don't really have that much experience playing shortstacked and the variance seems rather high as I'll end up having a PSB left on most flops unless I can 3bet/4bet shove. Does that mean I'm just stuck to playing AK,QQ+ and never seeing flops?

I feel like I can beat the game, I just don't want to set myself up for a 2BI loss at 2/5 and then a 3 BI swing at 1/2 and suddenly only have 900 bucks left. I don't really mind being a bankroll nit.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:27 PM   #3848
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Start at 10k atleast IMO but then again I am a BR nit. Also do you have online experience? 40 hours is pretty much no sample size and your recent winnings could easily be a result of variance. Atleast prove that you are a winning player at 1/2 before moving to 2/5.
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40 hours is pretty much no sample size and your recent winnings could easily be a result of variance. Atleast prove that you are a winning player at 1/2 before moving to 2/5.
I've played 40 hours over 6 months, so I've played ~240 hours. I do have a little online experience at around 25k hands, but not so much since I started playing live. I'm in the US so I don't have a very good site to play on and I'm not a winning player at 4NL probably because I don't care as much because the money isn't worth anything to me. I am only down around 20 BI though, so I don't get crushed, I just call down too light.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:31 PM   #3850
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Also personally I don't have the mental capacity for shot taking. Even when I am playing nl100 with $500 total online I am ****ting bricks even tho my true poker BR makes me way over rolled for the limit. I find that it is extremely difficult to play optimally when you aren't properly rolled.

So you increased your roll from $400 to $2500 in 240 hours. That's 4.4bb/hour which is far from crushing. This is ofc assuming that you didn't take any money out of your real life expenses. IMO stay at 1/2 for a while and wait till you get your poker BR up at 10K to move up
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