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Old 01-23-2013, 01:16 PM   #3676
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If a game is good enough that I might be missing value with less than 100bb, it wouldn't matter in a hand or two anyway.
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:18 PM   #3677
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FWIW, at 1/2, what's considered shortstack and what's considered medium? In my mind, shortstacked is roughly $100 or less. Medium stacked is about $100 to $180 and full stacked is about $181+.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:12 PM   #3678
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If a game is good enough that I might be missing value with less than 100bb, it wouldn't matter in a hand or two anyway.
Not sure what you mean? If we're sitting on $150 for some stupid self imposed reason and flop a set against a fish with $200 who can't fold TP in a raised pot, we just blew a super easy $50. I simply don't understand why we would purposely put ourselves in that spot.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:15 PM   #3679
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Not sure what you mean? If we're sitting on $150 for some stupid self imposed reason and flop a set against a fish with $200 who can't fold TP in a raised pot, we just blew a super easy $50. I simply don't understand why we would purposely put ourselves in that spot.
I am referring to bigger games like 3/5 or higher, where most pots are played around $150-$300, and it isn't much of handicap if one chooses to start off with less than 100bb.

After all, us as better players are more likely to be coolered than someone less skillful.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:18 PM   #3680
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I was playing online last night, albeit microstakes, thinking that deep stacked poker may be a bit overrated in terms of how much it's discussed versus how rarely a situation seems to come up where you can stack someone deep. I had over 300 big blinds and a fishy villain to my right also had over 300 big bilnds. I was thinking that it seems like I play thousands and thousands of hands yet rarely does a situation occur where you stack one another. Less than 30 minutes later, I stacked him.

I've played a lot of hands live, too, and it doesn't seem to come up much there either but I still here it discussed a lot, and I've heard many live players claim an uncapped game can be the key to a high hourly, so I try to be vigilant and always have 100bb's and if I earn upwards of 200bb's or more, I really focus on stacking anyone who has me covered. I guess even though it doesn't happen often, the one time it happens in your favor, it's a huge swing.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:22 PM   #3681
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It tends to happen much more often in uncapped games or games with a high cap than standard 100bb capped games. Obviously there are much more opportunities when buyins are deep instead of waiting for you and the fish to chip up.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:22 PM   #3682
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Yes phatty, but having a short starting stack doesn't mean that we are short stack for rest of the session, and I am certainly not proposing hit and run.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:32 PM   #3683
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I was playing online last night, albeit microstakes, thinking that deep stacked poker may be a bit overrated in terms of how much it's discussed versus how rarely a situation seems to come up where you can stack someone deep. I had over 300 big blinds and a fishy villain to my right also had over 300 big bilnds. I was thinking that it seems like I play thousands and thousands of hands yet rarely does a situation occur where you stack one another. Less than 30 minutes later, I stacked him.

I've played a lot of hands live, too, and it doesn't seem to come up much there either but I still here it discussed a lot, and I've heard many live players claim an uncapped game can be the key to a high hourly, so I try to be vigilant and always have 100bb's and if I earn upwards of 200bb's or more, I really focus on stacking anyone who has me covered. I guess even though it doesn't happen often, the one time it happens in your favor, it's a huge swing.
In spite of my always-stay-topped-up-to-maximum-BI mantra (which I always do), I also find I rarely get in huge pots. Even during my massive run good streak lately where I've booked a lot of 300bb+ wins, I'm rarely in a huge pot; I'm mostly just nickel and diming small/mediocre/ok pots.

But covering the fish and earning that extra $20 - $50 on our few good hands of the night really adds up quickly. Let's say we make 5 nuttish hands in a session, and get paid off on 3 of them; and let's say all 3 times we were stupidly sitting with $50 less than the fish who we stack each time. That's $150 of free money that we didn't take. And plus, as you say, just one massive hand every blue moon also really adds up.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:34 PM   #3684
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GG, you must play in a really passive room. I feel like I am all in at least 10 times a session. lol
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:37 PM   #3685
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GG, you must play in a really passive room. I feel like I am all in at least 10 times a session. lol
Don't get me wrong, I'm all-in a lot too; I'm just saying that most of the times it's against a shortstack. It's extremely rare for me to be all-in if I'm starting the hand with 200bbs+ against another deepstack (honestly, I can't remember the last time I was in this situation).
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:05 PM   #3686
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all-in a lot too; I'm just saying that most of the times it's against a shortstack. It's extremely rare for me to be all-in if I'm starting the hand with 200bbs+ against another deepstack (honestly, I can't remember the last time I was in this situation).
cAmmAndo otoh is trying to forget the last time he was in this situation.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:15 PM   #3687
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all-in a lot too; I'm just saying that most of the times it's against a shortstack. It's extremely rare for me to be all-in if I'm starting the hand with 200bbs+ against another deepstack (honestly, I can't remember the last time I was in this situation).
I can't say that it happens often, but I can think of quite a few spots over the last year where I've been all-in for more than 200bbs. The sad thing is that about half the time it's against another competent player and we both have the nuts and chop. (Q98 rainbow board, raise, call-call, re-raise, re-raise, shove, call, $800+ deep each JTo vs JTs without a backdoor.)

But those few times that you can get into a huge pot (and hold up ) can easily make or break your session or your week.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:32 PM   #3688
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Nothing wrong with short-stacking aggressive 5/10 NL. Short-stacking 2/5 NL and smaller games is almost always a bad idea.

I normally buy in super-deep in uncapped NL games, but I will show respect to an aggressive deep-stacked reg by buying in only 150bb or 100bb if my seat is directly to his right. Then I add-on to 300bb+ after I get a seat change to the other side if the table.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:49 PM   #3689
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Interesting dynamic for my numbers. I'm on deployment and have been on the same boat playing the same ~10 people for this entire database (a five month period.) Have to say that no matter how terribad your opponents are, if you play with the same people over and over again you will have to make some major adjustments because even the droolers can recognize patterns. Great experience for my game, as before I have never encountered the same people often (besides online fwiw.)

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Old 01-23-2013, 06:38 PM   #3690
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GG, you must play in a really passive room. I feel like I am all in at least 10 times a session. lol
Same. I feel like if I don't get all the monies in at least once in a session I'm doing something wrong.

It might just be a difference in games... but thinking you have to cooler someone to get 200bb+ either
A). You're playing in a LLSNL game where everyone is solid(lol)
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B). You're playing a big stack poorly and have leaks that are magnified when playing deep
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:43 PM   #3691
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Or you're playing an average non-weekend 3/5 game.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:40 PM   #3692
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Same. I feel like if I don't get all the monies in at least once in a session I'm doing something wrong.

It might just be a difference in games... but thinking you have to cooler someone to get 200bb+ either
A). You're playing in a LLSNL game where everyone is solid(lol)
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B). You're playing a big stack poorly and have leaks that are magnified when playing deep
I think this is VERY common.

Part of it may just be experience, I know that I spend a lot more time playing around 100-150bb effective than I do playing deep. Partly because even when I'm sitting on a 300bb stack, most everyone else at the table tends to be at 100bb anyway.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:42 PM   #3693
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I just play awful when I have over 300 BB. My range that I used to build up my stack starts to crack slowly, then I lose a couple of pots and before you know it I'm down to my starting stack or worse.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:09 PM   #3694
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The skill set of deep stack play is tougher on new tight players. The value of TPTK and over pairs go down. While big pot hands go up in value sets, straights and flushes.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:45 PM   #3695
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1-2 live plays bigger than it does online... $300 is probably equivlent to 100bb.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:08 AM   #3696
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I'm pretty excited. A guy I play with a ton is a huge oil tycoon, and while hes not dealing with that he buys amd sells antiques. He has a gigantic antique shop in my town and he wants me to start listing his high end items on eBay for a commission.
Hope that turns out well. Him and his wife have no children either. Maybe he'll adopt me and i can be his only heir.
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I'm pretty excited. A guy I play with a ton is a huge oil tycoon, and while hes not dealing with that he buys amd sells antiques. He has a gigantic antique shop in my town and he wants me to start listing his high end items on eBay for a commission.
Hope that turns out well. Him and his wife have no children either. Maybe he'll adopt me and i can be his only heir.
Sick he should hook you up pretty well for a minimal amount of work. I wanna flip stuff on eBay but it seems like that market is so saturated but you have a great in with already having the items.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:27 AM   #3698
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Sick he should hook you up pretty well for a minimal amount of work. I wanna flip stuff on eBay but it seems like that market is so saturated but you have a great in with already having the items.
Yeah. I've already sold a ton of stuff on eBay so that's how it got brought up. I found a few prices for him on some big ticket items so we got to talking about selling some of his stuff on eBay. He's like mid 60's so obv doesn't know interwebz too well, and he said he tried selling stuff on eBay but didn't really know how. I'll update after I meet with him next week.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:59 AM   #3699
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Brm is more important than buying in full or short stacking
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:30 AM   #3700
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Yeah. I've already sold a ton of stuff on eBay so that's how it got brought up. I found a few prices for him on some big ticket items so we got to talking about selling some of his stuff on eBay. He's like mid 60's so obv doesn't know interwebz too well, and he said he tried selling stuff on eBay but didn't really know how. I'll update after I meet with him next week.
That should be very profitable for you since you get the upside with no risk.
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