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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

12-15-2012 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DreamIsDestiny
I think you should stick to 1/2. All the 2/5 regs will eat you for breakfast and there is no money to be made.

And the app is called poker journal. It's great for risk of ruin calculations because it automatically does standard deviation per hour and per session. I think it's $13 but its exclusively for apple. You can retroactively add sessions and it has an excel export, so you can keep adding to your original spreadsheet.

I'm not going to post a screenshot of mine until I hit $70/hr at 2/5.
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12-16-2012 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
I have a question ... what % of sessions do you guys normally win?

I make $23/hr at nearly 1,000 hours of 1/2, which I know is pretty good, but I only win 53.6% of my sessions. I bring 2 or 3 buy-ins with me, and 27% of the time I go felt by the end of the night (meaning I lose $400-$600). Do these numbers seem absurdly high for someone with my hourly? I ask because I see other posters on 2+2 post that they win the vast majority of their sessions, and I know a couple of people who play for a winning who also claim to win much more often.
i am 65/35 at 2/5NLH and 5/10NLH

back when i used to grind 1/2 i would take $600 (3 BI in games i played) and i think i busted my pocket roll once in 2 years.

not sure what this really means for you but maybe it is a clue that you have some tile issues to deal with?
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12-16-2012 , 01:30 PM
Last 600 hours at 100bb cap 2/5 at Foxwoods/Borgata. I had a few monster sessions at harrahs in AC during WSOPc where their buyin is 1k which explains average buyin being >500



My transition to 5/10 has been completely awful.
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12-16-2012 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
Last 600 hours at 100bb cap 2/5 at Foxwoods/Borgata. I had a few monster sessions at harrahs in AC during WSOPc where their buyin is 1k which explains average buyin being >500



My transition to 5/10 has been completely awful.
This seems like a really high hourly for 2/5. Good job!
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12-16-2012 , 05:57 PM
blech I am currently at 65/35 for 1/3 @ 35 $/hr and 57/43 for 2/5 @ 23 $/hr. His stats seem bizarre wrt to standard deviation

but at 2/5 I am in the middle of a 350 hour break even stretch and a 6k downswing =\
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12-16-2012 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
Last 600 hours at 100bb cap 2/5 at Foxwoods/Borgata. I had a few monster sessions at harrahs in AC during WSOPc where their buyin is 1k which explains average buyin being >500



My transition to 5/10 has been completely awful.
Care to share your losing session stat?

Reading just your winning sessions seems to me that you are quite discipline as a player and can leave when down, even just a few hundreds.
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12-16-2012 , 06:14 PM
Sure.

Also- this hourly has 130 hours where I played 2/5 in Vegas with a 1k cap so it's not all 100bb like I thought. Although my hourly over that sample is only 53.

I am pretty disciplined with getting up and in all honestly I rarely tilt.



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12-16-2012 , 06:22 PM
must feel nice to run like god
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12-16-2012 , 06:27 PM
Must be nice to have average win be ~50% higher than your average loss!

Envious fo' sho.

To everyone else, is your average win bigger than your average loss?
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12-16-2012 , 06:45 PM
Play longer when winning and shorter when losing...

Most people do the opposite lol.

I run very bad lol, but I would guess I win a lot more in non-showdown hands than the average winning reg.
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12-16-2012 , 06:53 PM
Ya...I have issues with winning, mental block issue. Although not as much of a problem as losing tilt, winning tilt is nevertheless capping my WR.
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12-16-2012 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
Must be nice to have average win be ~50% higher than your average loss!

Envious fo' sho.

To everyone else, is your average win bigger than your average loss?
I don't have an easy way to check, but I'd say my average loss is much bigger than my average win.

As of the end of August, the last time I counted it up, I was 73% wins. But most of my losses were huge in comparison to the wins. Winning 3 out of 4 often looks like +$80, +$95, +$160, -$300 in my records.
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12-16-2012 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I don't have an easy way to check, but I'd say my average loss is much bigger than my average win.

As of the end of August, the last time I counted it up, I was 73% wins. But most of my losses were huge in comparison to the wins. Winning 3 out of 4 often looks like +$80, +$95, +$160, -$300 in my records.
i found that when this happened to me, i was just playing too tight. i swore i hadn't been all-in at any point in two months. then one night i was all-in three times in like 2 hours and it just clicked that i was playing too passively and too tight. this was a couple of years ago.
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12-16-2012 , 11:42 PM
Avg loss: (458.77)
Avg win: 357.57

All 1/2NL. I play long sessions and usually hit my stop loss if I leave a loser.
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12-16-2012 , 11:51 PM
I made a post a few weeks ago saying i had been grinding live cash and online tournaments and had a bankroll of 9K. I am now 3 1/2 months into my poker journey and am still playing 1-2 NL Live and occasionaly 2-5 NL Live. I also play online tournaments, just came 155 in the Sunday Million today.

My bankroll is now $11,700 + $1000 in money owed to me.

It can be done!
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12-16-2012 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
i found that when this happened to me, i was just playing too tight. i swore i hadn't been all-in at any point in two months. then one night i was all-in three times in like 2 hours and it just clicked that i was playing too passively and too tight. this was a couple of years ago.
I'm not playing too tight. If anything, I'm opening too wide a range for my games. But I don't think that's my problem, either.

What happens to me A LOT is I'll win the minimum by running hot early, and then lose a lot of it back with a bunch of raise/whiff/c-bet or raise/whiff/check fold.

It's a very common patter for my winning nights for me to go up $150 or $200, Lise back down to up $50, win back up to $150, then quit at up $90 or $100. Those are the nights that feel like 0 variance nights--I flop top pair 1 in 3 or so times, make a few bucks here and there with a few overpairs, set mine unsuccessfully 5 or 6 times.

Anyway:

I went back and counted up September-December. That period has been the worst period of run bad in a year in which I have run worse than I've ever run. My winning percentage for that period has been 60% on the nose, which probably puts me at 67 or 68% wins on the year.
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12-17-2012 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
Play longer when winning and shorter when losing...

Most people do the opposite lol.

I run very bad lol, but I would guess I win a lot more in non-showdown hands than the average winning reg.
Isn't it just the greatest when players around you always just assume you are a lucky running-hot god?

It seems like every day at least 2-3 people say that to me and I just nod and smile. It's amazing how they can't figure out how bad they are.
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12-17-2012 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha

I run very bad lol, but I would guess I win a lot more in non-showdown hands than the average winning reg.
pshh

I hope you're kidding.

You've probably played like 30,000 hands. Pretty unlikely that you've run bad over that small stretch.
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12-17-2012 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I'm not playing too tight. If anything, I'm opening too wide a range for my games. But I don't think that's my problem, either.

What happens to me A LOT is I'll win the minimum by running hot early, and then lose a lot of it back with a bunch of raise/whiff/c-bet or raise/whiff/check fold.

It's a very common patter for my winning nights for me to go up $150 or $200, Lise back down to up $50, win back up to $150, then quit at up $90 or $100. Those are the nights that feel like 0 variance nights--I flop top pair 1 in 3 or so times, make a few bucks here and there with a few overpairs, set mine unsuccessfully 5 or 6 times.

Anyway:

I went back and counted up September-December. That period has been the worst period of run bad in a year in which I have run worse than I've ever run. My winning percentage for that period has been 60% on the nose, which probably puts me at 67 or 68% wins on the year.
you are playing too long when stuck imo
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12-17-2012 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wWizardG
pshh

I hope you're kidding.

You've probably played like 30,000 hands. Pretty unlikely that you've run bad over that small stretch.
I think I'm on the positive side of variance and if I'm in the negative it is not by much.
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12-17-2012 , 01:18 PM
when your graph has no downswings that is your sign
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12-17-2012 , 01:23 PM
This is not an online graph though. There are plenty of sessions I'm stuck 2kish and fight back to even.

It doesn't update with every hand like an online graph would, only at the en of every session.

Just something to consider
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12-17-2012 , 01:29 PM
that is just a sampling rate error and is a wash, it is like saying that updating every hand isn't actually accurate since we should be sampling at every street

I mean obviously win rates are much higher live but even if you are the best player evar you'll at the very least break even when "running bad".
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12-17-2012 , 01:33 PM
I mean obviously if we sample like so little we don't get any useful data then all we'd see is a steady straight line upwards, but (especially if you are playing short sessions when behind and longer sessions when ahead) you should have a higher % of losing sessions than winning sessions. I mean in live NLHE little things like running slightly above expectation of hitting FD's can have huge implications on your winrate or just winning like 60/40 of your big flips instead of running 50/50 and these things are nearly impossible to measure since we don't keep statistics.
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12-17-2012 , 01:50 PM
I would say that if you haven't had an 8xBI peak to peak (like session beginning to session beginning) downswing you have been running pretty good.

This isn't to besmirch skill or w/e just the nature of the beast.
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