Sorry, I'm just a small stakes fish, but the invitation remains open if you want to dick around at $1/2 some time. I do keep track of my buy-ins and cash-outs, I just don't keep track of the hours played. Why does the hourly really matter? Whether I play for 2 hours or 8 hours, the only thing that matters is how much I'm cashing out. I'm not trying to compare playing poker to how much I make from my real job.

This sort of nazi airtight money-distribution system sounds good on paper but would be pretty difficult to actually execute.

You're a funny guy.

The key is to have the discipline to be able to move back down and to slowly ween yourself into a bigger game.

You shouldn't be strictly a 1/2 player on tuesday, wake up wednesday and now I'm a 2/5 player.

It should be a slow transition and provided your disciplined enough to move down, you can use the slow pace of the live game to your advantage by being more aggressive in shot taking.

Even at bigger games my edge is bigger than it was online at games 1/10th the stake.

You do not need anywhere near 25-30 buyins for live poker, especially if your roll is like <5k and you obviously don't live out of it.

When you lose at your shot, move back down and rebuild to avoid going busto.

You don't think there's a difference between winning $X over Y hours versus winning $X over Y * 10 hours or $X over Y * 100 hours?

Anyways, if you're a rec player and don't really care about hourly winrates, that's fine and dandy. Really, it is; there's no law that says we have to keep track of any stats whatsoever, so each to his own. Just don't get surprised if someone questions the accuracy of your claims when you're not accurately keeping results.

GgoodluckatthetablesG

I love players who don't keep a real consistent record. Taking money from all the little Apollos around the table definitely makes you Zeus. Zeus knows exactly where he's at and how much he's made, can make, and projected to make. Godspeed, Apollo.

Of course there's a difference between a 120 hour sample and a 1200 hour sample. Nowhere in my post was it stated that I win $75/hr all the time every time and have done so for the past 38 years...just that I've had a run-good month and reading the thread title, this appears to be the official winrates/bankrolls/finances thread.

You can question my WR all you want, it really makes no difference to me. This is the internets, where people can be anyone they want. Joe Schmoe could come into this post with a screenshot of his iphone app showing he won $8000/hr. Is that any more reliable than keeping track of buyins/cashouts and guessing at how many hours were played, then generalizing a WR? There will never be any definitive proof, so my posted winnings and WR are just as questionable as anyone else's to a random person reading this post.

Nobody cares what your winrate is. But you can't claim an hourly winrate when you don't track hours played. That is all.

Except that you're not talking about winrate/bankroll/finance, because you can't substantiate anything in your fuzzy records.

And let's be honest here, you just want to post a brag to feel how awesome you are.

That's what the word approximately is for, but ok. Maybe it's $60/hr, maybe it's $80/hr, doesn't really change anything. My winrate is exactly $374 per session over the past 19...is that better? I'm done going back and forth about this, I think it's run its course.

obviously FOS is obvious

Wj94

I have no reason not to believe you so ill give you the benefit of the doubt and have faith your numbers are correct.

I guess my only suggestion would to be to quit telling the naysayers in this thread to sit with you and take your money. It's like you are challenging them to a fight at the poker table which is silly and would not prove anything unless you played a really long time with them anyway. It doesn't help your case.

Just know that the numbers you are asserting are at the high end of what plenty of respected players have posted. In fact some of your numbers are significantly above what the majority of llsnl players think is possible to make in the long run. That doesn't mean they are unobtainable. It just means your results ESP given the lack is some sessions which you freely admit are likely the result of short term variance and not really worth mentioning in this thread.

I mean I just made $320 in just under 3 hours mainly because I flopped two sets and got over pairs to play for stacks. I don't think my $82 per hour rate is anything to even remotely consider as reasonable or even good play on my part. It was all just super standard.

The way I like to look at is hourly rate. My hourly is $16 per hour over 250 hours. So in reality my three hour session today was actually only worth $48. It doesn't matter how much I ran up or down over three hours. I would suggest you take the same approach.

Figure out your hourly and look at it as hours played x hourly to see what you really make.

Good luck at the tables.

Exactly.

1000 hrs will be like the year 2018 for me... uggh. Used to play a lot more before family, get 1 day a week or less now. Started tracking at the end of September. So here goes results to date with LOL @ sample size:

54.25 hours of 1/3
$1633 profit

4.00 hours of 2/5
$743 loss

.. and $154 in beer while playing... wish it was BYOB like turning stone (is it still that way?)

So $30.10 / hr @ 1/3 = 10 bb / hr

-$185.75 / hr @ 2/5 = -37 bb / hr (..ouch! Hope that is not sustainable!)

Weighted properly together:
6.7 bb /hr.

Best session:
+$1585 @ 1/3 in 8.75 hours
Worst session:
-$892 @ 2/5 in 0.50 hours (hit my stop loss...)

7 winning sessions
5 losing sessions

Oh, and the beer is not included in profits.. if I didn't drink, I would win almost 0.8 bb / hr more

(edit: worth noting - years ago was a semi-regular 20/40 LHE live player @ foxwoods - none of those stats translate... so while I only have 58.25 tracked hours, have likely played 1000+ in my life at casinos)

Ya, 1000 hours does seem to take forever for a once-per-week player. Although I've noticed my hours really start piling up if I go on a weekend (instead of after work on a weekday) and put in a long session (if you can manage that with all your family obligations / etc.).

Ha, fun stat: your best session at 1/3 is better than my best session by $152, and yet I've played 16.4 times as many hours as you have.

Hope you run better at your 2/5 shot taking.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Thanks GG - indeed I am shot taking at 2/5... and boy did one of those shots miss. It was not really bad-beat-variance either, it was winner's tilt. Was running good at 1/3 that day, hopped to 2/5 and on back to back hands had two all in bluffs called (they were stupid bluffs). That was my last session actually. Will be at the 1/3 for a while until the bankroll recovers.

FWIW - every session:
stakes-hours-net
($1/$3 NL) 7.50 $103
($2/$5 NL) 0.25 ($179)
($1/$3 NL) 8.75 $1,585
($1/$3 NL) 8.25 $41
($1/$3 NL) 8.33 ($705)
($1/$3 NL) 5.00 $869
($1/$3 NL) 4.00 $241
($2/$5 NL) 3.25 $328
($1/$3 NL) 6.17 ($625)
($1/$3 NL) 4.00 $292
($2/$5 NL) 0.50 ($892)
($1/$3 NL) 2.25 ($168)

note: some are multiple session in one trip - like the last 3

Worthless trivia - at end of my Foxwoods days, I had started to play 1/2 NLHE ($100 max buy-in.. this is ~2004). Cashed out for just over $1400 one time... +650 bb, and consider the 50bb buy-in cap, it was 13 buy-ins. That was my best session in bb terms. It was an overnight like 12 hr session. Those games were so soft in early 2000s. The final hand I still remember - 2 handed - ~$700 each - AQcc (me) vs AA (him). Qxx with 2 clubs on flop. club on turn. (hehe..all went in on flop - I am a luck box).

ROR assumes you don't take any money out though. If you take all the money over $x out, your ROR is 100% -- because eventually you will run that bad.

The odds of hitting a downswing that bad can be calculated and are probably very slim but you should still be aware.

How do you guys post pictures of your pokerjournal in the thread? Can I do it from my iPhone or do I need to be on my computer?

take a screenshot with your phone, upload to photo hosting service, post

Photo hosting service?

imageshack.us etc

Very cool. Gonna test it out now

Gonna share my last hundred or so hours played since I returned to school in August. It's been an interesting few months. I built a little more than a 4k roll grinding 1/2 at the the one and only horseshoe Indiana. I was pretty fishy the first 5 or so months, but played a very tight game which was good enough. I improved a lot the last month or so and was happy to have 4k saved away for when I graduate that I will use to move up to 2/5.

Decided to take only 500 with me to school to experiment and break out of my comfort zone. Also played some back at the shoe over thanksgiving. Definitely experienced way more variance lagging it up, as a combination of some run bad an sub-optimal play on many occasions.

http://imageshack.us/a/img441/1959/imageuhrf.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img822/9058/imagepqa.jpg

I actually downloaded the image shack app (and paid a whole .99) but can't figure out how to copy the URL. It says to simply double tap but it was a no go, so just used the website. Cool tool, never knew how to upload my stats