Meh, anyone motivated enough would not give up so easily.

idk, If I didn't run good when I started playing cash I might have stuck to SnGs (9 man STTs). I think it's actually a pretty big factor. Some potentially good players started out as huge degens, and then mended their ways and attitude over time.

I wasted over a year fooling around with SnG's before switching to cash. Players who want to be good will switch to cash inevitably.

I played SNGs for hamburger stakes (2.50+.25) for a long time before moving on to cash.

Anyone remember the Party Poker 5+1's? lol 20% rake

definitely way way more variance in deep play vs good players

more variance in deep play period because if you get the exact same situations but with deeper stacks and they still get allin then you have a chance at losing more money in an allin situation. i dont understand anyones thought process on deeper stacks is less variance, must not have played much deep stack poker. i regularly play in uncapped 1/2 games with 500bb+.

basically if you get it in with a set vs tptk with 100bb and 500bb your equity is the same but when you lose you will be losing more which means more variance, simple as that. nonallin hands should play the same too then so if players are not adjusting and playing the same way then you should still win/lose same amount in those situations.

damn..youre way better than me. only 1 year? i thought i waas gonna be a damn sng champ. **** i didnt make any consistent money for like 5 years. i also was a dumb ass 16 year old when i started too

I personally started with a $50 no deposit bonus from one of those affiliate sites. I have never deposited a cent of non-poker money into any of my poker accounts or used a cent of non-poker money for live poker.

I do not doubt that if I had run worse when I had started off that I would not be playing today.

Took a 4 month break from live poker to focus on a new job. Upon my return to the poker room I won 7.5k (10 BI) in my first 16 sessions, mostly on 5/5. The last 8 sessions, I have dropped 8k Help, anyone?

I am sure the only rational response is that if you want help you should post hands.

Yes, that's rational. I often say the same to others. Hand analysis never lies. I was hoping you would say eat more protein or something

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I used to play live all the time. I did A-OK. But then I became disabled and now live on disability. Thus my spare funds are in short supply. I've recently started playing again online (microstakes) and have been doing well so far, but have a small sample size.

How would you approach playing 1/3 if all you had were one or two minimum buyins for taking a "shot" at playing live (i.e. slowly building up a bankroll)? Let's say you are a winning 10nl player, skill wise and comfortable with live play.

That means having $100-200. How would you play? With a single $200 BI or two $100 BIs. Typical game conditions are 4-6 players seeing each flop -- regardless of if it's raised or not (to anything reasonable). 70% room regs, 30% out of town visitors.

How would you play? How tight preflop?

I just wouldn't recommend playing live with anything less than 10BI. Play micros online and build your roll.

Me and a friend are currently in the process of running 2BI up. He's at 10k now and I'm at 2k (he got lucky fast and moved to 2-5, and is now beating the game for 30 bucks an hour there).

Basically is you have to really nit it up. I'm talking 99+, AJs+ AQo+. Don't worry about stealing blinds with marginal hands. You're not trying to maximize win rate, just get some cushion in your bank roll. No bluffing unless it's a super juicy spot. You do need run good to build up a small bankroll, but you can do that by passing on even somewhat large +EV situations, and only peddle the nuts. No one adjusts play at 1/2, so don't worry about being exploited (much).

Depends.

What happens if i bust the roll? Death? Chemical castration? Homelessness? forced into a life of gay prostitution? Turned into one of the undead by Haitian mystics? Then i probably play super-nitty like others have said.

If nothing happens except i have to stop playing live until i can scrounge up another buyin, i play my best, most positive expectation game. In fact, im more inclined to take chances with a tiny roll. Its pointless to sit on a couple of buyins for months like a hen trying to hatch an egg. Mise well get a real roll quick or go on home and find something more constructive to do with your time.

How's the 2/5 and 5/10 live NL in Vegas? Thinking about making a trip to pad my bankroll. I need the padding if I'm going to be a reg at Commerce.

Speaking of, what stakes do you need to play and be beating in order to "beat the rake" at Commerce and LA Casinos?

Put all $200 in play at once. You are going to want to play a very variance averse game - so preflop selection is going to be T-I-G-H-T, and it will need to be very aggressive. Do not disguise your hand at all... you want folds to avoid variance.

Now this is not the most profitable way to play, but at 1-3 it will still profit.

2/5 and 5/10 generally have 1 dealer - deck of 52 cards - and 9 players...although some casinos have up to 10 players. There will be preflop action, a flop, a turn, then a river.

I think I'm going to reconsider my usual position that big BBJs don't draw in as many fish as people think and instead just draw in lottsa decent-ok regs from other rooms.

I've been printing money the last few sessions putting in "longish" session (10 - 12 hours) during this big BBJ at my room. And after totaling all my 10+ sessions, and realizing I usually play 10+ sessions on a weekend/holiday day when the BBJ is large, my results (albeit over a lol 150.3 hr sample size) seem to suggest that big BBJs bring out the worse players (and at the very least, as someone else suggested elsewhere, good table selection options).

After last nights +277 BB session (one where, frankly, I didn't even play that good), my 10+ hr sessions at 1/3 NL look like this:

$49/hr, 13-1 (92.9 session winning percentage)

All of which absolutely clobbers my winrate from shorter sessions (where I typically play on a weekday after work until 9:30pm).

I know. I know. Sample size. Sigh. But still.

I remember watching the Blue Jays back in the early 90's during their peak. Down by 3 runs going into the later innings? Whatever. It was a done deal. They were going to come back and win. It was a 9 inning game, and at the end of 9 (or 9+) innings, they would win. Didn't matter what the score was in the 2nd inning or the 5th inning. They would come back, and win, and there just really wasn't any question or worry about it. Well, that's kinda how I feel at the poker table during these longish sessions. I just know at the end of 10 hours, I'm going to be up $500 or way more or whatever, and that's it, it's just a done deal. That's the way I'm running right now.

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BBJs bring in all sorts of fish - no debate about it. There is a little bit of casino shuffling among the regulars too... but most of them are nothing to fear. I believe it actually is more of a product that it gives the fish an excuse to play more.. as in back to back weekends when they might usually only play a few times a year. "Betty, did you hear no one hit the jackpot over the week.. that's right, it is now $136k! We need to try again this weekend".

Typically local room (i.e. not Vegas) - Saturday afternoons and nights are the best time to play. (On average of course, there are always freak sessions when the drunk maniac black jack high roller wanders into the room on Thursday night, but no way to predict that).

Nice run! Longer sessions will always result in a better W-L, that is just statistics, but 13-1 is still "yes, please!". (Boo Blue Jays)

I really had no idea how good I was running at these "longish" (by my standard) sessions until I just recently totaled them up. I was actually quite surprised, since conventional wisdom is that overly long hours at table (even though 10 - 12 hours really isn't that long, I mean, there's no heavy lifting) will quickly get us into our B and C game. My simple guess is that my poor C game still crushes my opponents A game, though still lottsa room for fish-on-heater reasoning due to small sample.

Yes, your game will drop from A in those marathons - but at the same time you did actually have more complete history and read on the fish (even if not as good as it could be with 100% attention... i.e. 50% attention over 10 hours better than 100% over 3). You also have the opportunity for deep fish versus deep hero. All of these sessions inevitable include a deep fish giving away 200bb in some hand. When you play long, you are more likely to be deep when this happens. At a 10 hour session, you might be deep stacked for 6/10 hours, while at a 4 hour session, it might be 1 / 4... so better chance of fully fileting the fish : )

Those sound like good points, and make perfect sense, but I don't think it's actually what has occurred (at least in my more recent longer sessions that I can recall a bit better).

a) Players come and go / table change / etc. quite frequently. For the most part (with a couple of exceptions), I think I play the same amount time on average against a particular villain in my long sessions as my normal sessions.

b) I certainly agree there is more opportunity for deepstack play, but I actually don't recall any real deepstack hands that netted me huge results. I basically just nickel and dimed it, for the most part.

But I'm basing this purely on my hazy unaccurate memories of sessions, so I could be wrong.

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