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This is doing it wrong usually

A “good player” typically plays kinda nitty; they have to in high raked games

Why do you want the good player coming between you and the money?

It's not ego. It's awareness that seat hopping is AWFUL for the game.

Completely. The only time I will seat hop is because im blind and want to sit in the middle or because some guy blatantly seat hops me to my left.

I never seat jump. However, last week I was sat next to a guy who's stench was so bad I had to move.

this seems like a slight hyperbolic embellishment. like most things in poker, “it depends” applies. if you’re playing in a small player pool with mostly regs, sure, you don’t want to get a rep as a habitual seat changer.

but if you’re playing in a random juicy game with recs you’ve rarely or never seen before then do what you deem is the most +EV. there’s dozens of excuses you can come up with to explain away a seat change based on your poker room layout and nobody cares if it doesn’t blatantly look like you’re bum hunting someone.

i seat changed last week primarily cuz the guy next to me was wearing flip flops and he smelled like big foot’s dick, but also because a superior seat was open with direct field of vision to a prime time college football game and feel no shame doing so. it’s an option afforded to everyone so not taking advantage seems like more of an ego flex than anything to me.

Was planning to post at the end of the year with some specific questions for yall, but I'll go ahead and post some data that seems relevant to the last few posts.

Small sample size, last 2 years of poker for me. Haven't played much do to full time job, but lately circumstances allow me to play a few hours every day in the same Texas room.

So first third of my stats are from small casino 1/2 games. Last 200 or so hours in Texas.

The Texas game is 1/3 and 1000 max and then a percentage to match. I usually top off to stay at least 1000 deep unless it's a rare day with sub 1000 stacks. One caveat would be the first 30 hours in the Texas room were last year. It was a 1/2 with 400 max.

I don't seat change except for comfort. Play between noon and 4pm. Generally play pretty TAG. Nitty opens early and then widen my range as my sessions are short and no one adjusts.

I don't mind being directly OOP to a solid player (especially if he's aggro preflop) but only if I'm still on my shortstack. If I'm on a deeper stack, I never sit OOP to solid players. Although I'm not sure sitting directly to their left is best as I might get raised out of too many hands; I feel sitting across the table from them might be better.

And yeah, as soon as there are a couple of other winners at the table I'm evaluating whether there is a better table.

Gsolidstrat,imo,gogogo!G


+1

In my room (7 maximum tables), table changing and seat changing (for a variety of different reasons) is completely standard and common. There's always a huge list of table changes so every time a player leaves a game the floor wanders the room asking the next person on the list if they want the change. And each table typically has a couple of seat change buttons and they're often asked for and utilized. And again, for every reason under the sun.

But, obviously know the environment you're in and behave accordingly.

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I guess is the right spot for this. Discussing win rates and stuff and this question came up.

Some poker god, say, Phil Ivey wants to have a bet with you. You and he will both play 100 hours at your preferred stake. Whoever wins the most money wins the bet.

What odds would he have give you so that you believe you are +EV?

preferred stake is 5cent 10cent. I will take the bet at even money he can even choose the game, even something ive never played vbefore. Theres no chance he deems the game worthy of his time and we win by forfeit vs one of the greatest players of all time

Yup I think this is the right strategy.

I'd pick 2NL. Pretty sure they'd claw their eyes out before finishing 100hrs.

Whereas I'm a seasoned free roll grinder having played thousands of hours of pointless games for no money like mine sweeper.

Just go to poker dope and fill in your expected true win rate and Iveys win rate along with the expected variance over 3000 hands. Poker dope will then give you your odds of winning over 3000 hands with Ivey obviously still having better ones. The expected difference in winning percentage and win rates should form the basis for the betting odds.

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2 losers so far?

Gwait,didFeelyvotetwice?IKEED,IKEED,Idothejoke!G

Are winrates live still the same as it was say a decade ago or has it changed? Back then I remember people said 10bb was the standard so 1/2nl, its $20/hr. If 2/5, its $50/hr. If 5/10, it's $100/hr.


Also what app do people use to record their sessions? A remember a while back for the iphone, it was poker income or something like that and I think it was free or $10. What do most people use now to record their sessions? Someone mentioned there was an app that they wanted to use but they charge a ridiculous yearly subscription that cost $60 or so? What does that do that a regular tracker doesn't?

It's silly to talk about a "standard" win rate. Most people lose at poker.

In a nine-handed game that plays 30-odd hands per hour with a $5+$2 drop, $210/hour is going down the slot shared among nine players, so the average loss rate is $23.33/hour. That's 4.7bb/hour in 2-5 and 11.7bb/hour in 1-2.

I can't make a comparison between now and ten years ago; ten years ago I was a mid-stakes limit hold'em pro, pulling about $40/hour playing 30-60 LHE for four nights per week. Now I am playing NLHE, 2-3-5 with a $10 winner Mississippi straddle one night per week, and I am pulling just over $100/hour. I am implicitly game-selecting heavily by playing only Saturday evenings; if I was to play more sessions per week I expect my win rate would drop.

I track my buy-ins, cash-outs, and playing time in-game using Evernote; I transfer the numbers to a spreadsheet (LibreOffice Calc) when I get home.

It's unlike the total rake for the table would be as much as $210 an hour in this scenario, since not all of the 30 hands would reach the $5 cap (assuming rake is 10%). At a guess at least 30-50% of hands would be under the $5 cap, some of those not even reaching the flop (with no rake charged at all, depending on the rules of he room). I reckon it's more like $150 per hour or an average loss rate per player of around $17.

Don't ever play in California.

Yes, I forgot about California! Well, at least the games are good there and the sun often shines.

This is why poker sucks. People don't realize that the little things matter.

Especially the part about seat hopping in player pools when you think you can get away with it. Unless you are playing small stakes, random recs who play in big NLHE do understand why you are seat changing most of the time when you move to their left.

This "they probably won't notice if I seat change to get EV in a predatory way" attitude is why NLHE games are so bullshit sometimes.

You wonder why NLHE games dry up? It's because of weakass pathetic BS like this.

Giraffe so far for 2023. 335 hrs. 5.3 BB per hour. 72% win rate. Will probably end the year just under 400 hrs. I think for next year I want to focus on longer sessions. Getting over 500 hrs and would like to improve the BB per hr by better table selection.

>90% of this sub (and poker players in general) play 2/5 or smaller. you say people don’t realize the little things matter seemingly oblivious to how big of a cry baby you sound like.

but you keep dying on that hill and taking the moral high ground. i’ll continue single handedly killing poker with my 1 seat change every 20-30 hours of play.

vaya con dios.

Seat changing is usually bad.

Table changing is usually fine.