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Old 10-16-2012, 06:28 PM   #2626
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Using pokerjournal like 10x easier than keeping any sort of spreadsheet. Especially since you can export all your stats.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:30 PM   #2627
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You mean you don't carve your results into clay tablets when you get home?

PIF, you don't need to use the phone app at the table itself. I use a web app, and only input the session data once I get home.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:42 PM   #2628
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Using pokerjournal like 10x easier than keeping any sort of spreadsheet. Especially since you can export all your stats.
now, i will admit to being old in that i can't export crap ... i just upload the info into my phone when i start and end a session. (and when i rebuy, though i haven't figured out how to rebuy for $100 when I get down to $100 after a $200 start) ... using session logger on droid.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:38 PM   #2629
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now, i will admit to being old in that i can't export crap ... i just upload the info into my phone when i start and end a session. (and when i rebuy, though i haven't figured out how to rebuy for $100 when I get down to $100 after a $200 start) ... using session logger on droid.
Putting in rebuys is idiotic though. What is the purpose?

I reload continually to $500 which is the maximum at my game. I would have to literally "rebuy" every hand I play until I win a few decent pots. Every competent player (which should be everyone posting here) should do this. There is no excuse to ever chip down to 70bb or 50bb in game you're the best player. It's easy. Just get some $25's or whatever and put them in your pocket. If you post a $5 bb and check/fold, then just take 4 reds off and put a green on.

It's much easier (and requires less playing with your phone and not paying attention) to remember how much money you brought with you and count it when you get home.

Or you can just remember how many times you had to buy chips? I buy $500 and put $200 in my pocket.

Is it THAT hard to remember I brought, say $2k with me and now i have $2100 so I won $100?

Do I need PokerJournal to tell me i got stacked once, then stacked someone and won some other hands? How does that improve my understanding of my poker game?
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:49 PM   #2630
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Uhh you're over complicating rebuys big time. I buy in for 300 (200 max) and just top off whenever I want. Have default buy in set at 300. Whenever I bust I click twice and another 100 or 200 is added. When I cash out I pull the chips out of my pocket and cash them out. Pretty sure clicking twice is easier than figuring out what you started with and counting all your money at the the end.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:52 PM   #2631
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Uhh you're over complicating rebuys big time. I buy in for 300 (200 max) and just top off whenever I want. Have default buy in set at 300. Whenever I bust I click twice and another 100 or 200 is added. When I cash out I pull the chips out of my pocket and cash them out. Pretty sure clicking twice is easier than figuring out what you started with and counting all your money at the the end.
So your "rebuy" statistic is actually totally incorrect?

If you lose a $20 pot you just rebought $20, but it's not showing up in your PokerJournal. What's the point then?

How does amount of rebuys in a hand have any bearing on anything poker related that anyone could care about?

It's hard to count money at the end? What do you do with your $$ when you get home? Just throw it in a money sack and ignore it?

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Using PokerJournal you probably have to input rebuy so it knows how much you won/lost. Doing a "rebuy" statistic by itself is totally irrelevant and unnecessary.

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Old 10-16-2012, 08:00 PM   #2632
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Huh? All I use PJ for is to keep track of hourly and W/L. Keeps track of tips, pee breaks, food breaks, to the cents and seconds. If you would rather keep a spread sheet that does the same thing, then go for it.

If you're looking to keep track of specifically rebuys(again i dont care about this) then just do what I said if you top off 30 and at end of session you have 70 in your pocket put rebuy total to $30 instead of 100.

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Old 10-17-2012, 01:19 AM   #2633
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Huh? All I use PJ for is to keep track of hourly and W/L. Keeps track of tips, pee breaks, food breaks, to the cents and seconds. If you would rather keep a spread sheet that does the same thing, then go for it.

If you're looking to keep track of specifically rebuys(again i dont care about this) then just do what I said if you top off 30 and at end of session you have 70 in your pocket put rebuy total to $30 instead of 100.
I don't really get pee breaks, food breaks to the second etc. What's the purpose of that? Are you going to figure out the EV of not going to the bathroom or cutting your BR breaks? Are you going to not eat?

If I'm playing a 10 hour session, there are inevitably going to be breaks where I go to the bathroom, get a sandwich, go make a phone call, or even go walk around if I'm tired or my mind isn't right.

It probably sounds really awesome to be able to point to the exact number of seconds you're going to the bathroom. Not sure the relevance at all to improving your poker game.

A friend of mine tracks this way, and he's constantly entering tips, reloads, minute-by-minute hands won etc in his phone. IMO that's just distracting him from paying attention to the table and is taking his mind off of the game.

I get up from UTG+1 to go to the bathroom and usually get back by my BB. I don't need to keep track of my BR breaks to the second to find out if I run back halfway through the UTG hand and save 70 second if it increases my WR substantially, but that's just me.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:29 AM   #2634
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The only time I subtract out of my sessions is if I take a half hour or hour dinner break. Taking a 5-15 minute break is on the clock, just like any other job I've ever had.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:30 PM   #2635
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I guess someone before said that PJ can better your game.
I never said that.
All I said was it makes keeping track of my W/L and hourly easier. Also has pretty little graphs to look at when I get bored and want to feel good about myself.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:38 PM   #2636
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I used PJ pretty much since its introduction, probably about 3 years or more now.

Data entry is as simple as it gets once you setup default. All you have to do is load the app, tap the cash game button, push the + arrow to start session, select new session, and click save. Takes me about 5 seconds or less, but I am pretty sure I can beat 3 seconds if someone wants to put up a prop bet.

The best parts of PJ are really its reports and filters. You can easily break down whatever hell criteria you want and evaluate them.

PJ just makes things much much easier, and no one is arguing beyond that.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:13 PM   #2637
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Is there a substitute app for Poker Journal for the Android phone? I can't find Poker Journal for the Android and want a good substitute to match it. Do I have a choice at all?
I second Poker Session Logger, by Ryan Oswald. It has a couple of minor quirks, but overall pretty solid.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:59 AM   #2638
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What app is that? If you don't mind
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:04 AM   #2639
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:18 AM   #2640
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what's a good app to use for android that is similar to Poker Journal
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:31 AM   #2641
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what's a good app to use for android that is similar to Poker Journal
session logger.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:04 PM   #2642
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I know 10BB/Hr is pretty much the highest one could make after a large sample of hours. Such as for 1/2, $20 per hour would make you very good player, $50/hr at 2/5 the same etc. $30/hr at 1/3.

My question is do these winrates consider the amount you could buy in? For example, in vegas there are 1/3 games where the max buyin is $300 but some others have $500 max buyin. When people say the ceiling is 10BB/hr... do they mean those games with 100bb, 150bb or 200bb?

What would be the max winrate for a 1/3 game with 100bb buyin vs a 166bb. Same with a 2/5 game with 500 max buyin vs a 1000 max buyin.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:36 PM   #2643
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i think the 2+2 world consistently underestimates the attainable win rate of 1/2--- i think 50 per hour is doable at 2/5 but i think that 1/2 if you find deep stacks, move seats often, always cover everyone etc can be beatable for closer to 30

im talkikng about the 1/2 games where you can buy up to 300... i think 1/3 with 500 is closer to 35.. this would be if you are consistently the best player in the game and dilligent about table selection and seat selection etc


i have been beating a 1/2 game for 38/hr over a 1500 hour sample--- but the game is uncapped, rake free, and filled with rich donks and plays more like a 2/5 #sickbrag- im kidding a monkey could crush this game

but imo 1/2 can be beaten for closer to 30
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:46 PM   #2644
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I play in a 1/2 game where it can get deep, but max BI is 100bb.. My winrate is 31/hour over 300 hours this year with a 6$ max rake. Sample size isn't rich though. Last year I made 19/hour with significantly more leaks over a 800 size in the same game.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:47 PM   #2645
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Question, it's obvious that you could make more bb/hour at full BI at 1/2, but what is more in terms of $$/hour, assuming the player is skilled in both styles of play - 50bb at 2/5 or 100bb at 1/2?
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:33 AM   #2646
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Question, it's obvious that you could make more bb/hour at full BI at 1/2, but what is more in terms of $$/hour, assuming the player is skilled in both styles of play - 50bb at 2/5 or 100bb at 1/2?
I think the winrate at 2/5 is bigger assuming you sit down with 50bb and just play a session of x hours instead of table hopping when you double up.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:04 AM   #2647
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about how many hours do i need to play or amount of hands in order to somewhat accurately determine my win rate
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:05 AM   #2648
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:39 PM   #2649
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So about 6 months ago I started a full time job - nearly 45hrs/week, decent pay, benefits, etc. I can only put in about 5-10hrs/week at the poker table maximum. Thus all my sessions are shorter.

Here's my last 13 sessions at $2/3 NL:

4.0 hrs +497
2.0 hrs +145
1.0 hrs +33
3.0 hrs -119
4.0 hrs +462
5.5 hrs +32
2.0 hrs +327
4.0 hrs -392
2.0 hrs +111
2.0 hrs +77
1.5 hrs -76
1.0 hrs +210
1.5 hrs +41
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33.5 hrs +1348

= $40.24/hr

I'm going to keep experimenting with shorter, "hit and run" style sessions. I usually get tired after 4-5 hours and lose focus anyways.

Historically I have found that my sessions under 6 hrs have a larger winrate than my shorter sessions.
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:55 PM   #2650
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Historically I have found that my sessions under 6 hrs have a larger winrate than my shorter sessions.
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