Yeah, that sounds pretty standard for a 1/1 home game. I don't think 25/hr is sustainable, because you'll go through stretches where your bingo never hits and/or when theirs do, but since they love to pay, you can still make bank with this simple "make a hand and get paid" strategy.

I was at about 17/hr in a similar game over several hundred hours.

Yeah I'm expecting my win rate to drop to like 10-15/hr
Hope I can sustain that for a long period and build my roll!

No rakeback?

I'm still at $17/hr. over 300 hours in all my 0.25/0.5 home games. That's 20 bb/hr. They're just that soft. (But I don't really play for the money, I play for the good times with friends. I could be making much more in a casino.)

@ Yeodan

So I quickly went over my stats to see what my best streaks were at my 1/3 NL game.

627 sessions overall (4959.5 hours @ 6.87 bb/hr, 65.7% session winrate)

My record winstreak is 15. Also had one of 10, one of 9, one of 8, and a total of seven of 7.

The most ridiculous part is that the 15 and the 10 and one of the 7s came in a single 35 game span, where I won 7, then lost $12 in a 12 hour session, then booked the 10, then lost 2, then booked the 15. Booked 15.80 bb/hr over 356 hours in that 35 game span.

As for the others:

9 (14.91 bb/hr over 81 hours)
8 (22.51 bb/hr over 64 hours)
7 (17.68 bb/hr over 59 hours)
7 (17.44 bb/hr over 43 hours)
7 (16.59 bb/hr over 57 hours)
7 (11.48 bb/hr over 69 hours)
7 (10.91 bb/hr over 69 hours)
7 (9.61 bb/hr over 35 hours)

I guess the moral of that story is that if you play long enough there is a very good chance that you'll book lots of little lol sample size stretches where you do nothing but print money at a rate that is astronomically higher than your overall expected rate.

Having said that, if you are playing a super casual home game (i.e. just with a bunch of buddies) who are incredibly terrible/inexperienced players and a decent rake, then there is an ok chance you'll do very well in that game. It would be my guess that the average well experienced casino losing player would slaughter any casual home game consisting only of inexperienced buddies.

Gwin20inarow,Iwearanavatarofyourchoiceforamonth!G

Crushing the game so hard in the last 6 weeks that I would go back and delete everything I ever said about WR.

It's like taking the time off because of COVID made me see things from a completely new perspective.

Stars' rakeback is pretty crappy. There's a deposit bonus which is basically 33% rakeback up to $600 max but you only get it once. There are promos that are +EV if you take advantage of them, but they're limited. For example there's a "poker exclusive challenge" which gave me 33% rakeback up to $220 this month. There are also casino promos. Right now they're doing daily blackjack insurance which is about $20 +EV a day.

I paid 18BB/100 in rake at 10NL. Pretty gross. I ran good and was at 29BB/100 allin adjusted (before rakeback) over 22.5k hands before I moved up so thankfully the rake didn't murder me.

Any aha takeaways?

GcluelessahanoobG

Re-examine the concepts and lines you have always used.

I am an entirely different player than before, even though I didn't really learn anything groundbreaking new.

I've had the same thing happen to me after taking a long break.
Poker just suddenly seemed to make sense, the way other people were playing, how they viewed me, ...

I think it's just all the stuff you've studied coming together in your unconsciousness, really having had the time to sink in after a long break.

Poker is the softest it’s been since like 2008

This definitely seems true. I haven't seen this many people calling off suited connectors vs raises in years. and most of the nits seem to have found another way to grind out $15/hour

Aren't we paying something like 15BB/100 live? 20BB/100 if you include tips?

I'd estimate my 1/3 NL game (10% to $8 max + $1 BBJ + typical $1 tip) at approximately 22bb/100.

Gstandard?G

If you are playing with a 10% - $4 cap (standardish in Oregon) then you would likely be paying ~$15/hr in rake, plus tips. So figure after tips we round that to $20/hr. 10BB/hr at 1/2 and 4BB/hr at 2-5. There is a reason 2-5 is so much easier to win at. Yes, the total droolers aren't there, but they usually have small stacks anyway, and beating them and the rake is absurdly hard work for the amount of $$'s you make at 1/2NL.

20bb/100 seems in the ball park though when you think that we often only get ~30 hands/hr. For 1/2NL it could easily be closer to 30BB/100!!

I should add that this game is rake free.

What tracking software are you using? Mine just crashed, need something new.....

Poker Bankroll Tracker is pretty good & cheap, free version is pretty good too.

Excel yo

+1

Way more functional then any app you’ll ever find for specifically poker tracking

I keep my poker results in both Excel and an app called PokerJournal.

I don't think they make/update PokerJournal anymore? Might not even be compatible with newer iPhones (mine is from the dark ages).

For the winstreak stats I posted, I actually collected/computed all the data manually just be looking thru the Excel spreadsheet. Somewhat ez enough to do thanks to my columns regarding running $$$ total and running time total, but still lol @ me ldo for computing this manually (bored at work).

GcluelessstatcomputingnoobG

Yeah has to be even worse at 5+2 East Coast rake (even Borgata who was the most take friendly for 2-5 has made the switch) not to mention games like magic city/ Cali that take a drop

Browni- congrats at moving out of micros quickly as yeah micro-rake can be pretty brutal, though for worse, check out micro-pLO rake. Have heard PA was very soft during the pandemic, never got a chance to get up and check it out…just hoping my State (VA) gets around to legalizing it ( we have online sports betting…)

Interestingly my local game plays plo5 almost twice as much as holdem £2/£2, but I have no idea how to play other than the basic rules of the game. I am starting to play a little here and there but hate not having a clue

There's a PLO forum on 2+2 with some basic strategy posts.

Telling people you still use PokerJournal is like using Windows 95 as your main OS.

Oldz will old.