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Old 06-09-2021, 07:49 PM   #25401
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Out of curiosity
Define good. I've heard world class players can make 20bb/hr from reliable sources. I don't think there's any doubt you can make 10bb/hr and still have a fair amount of leaks.
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Old 06-09-2021, 09:43 PM   #25402
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Define good. I've heard world class players can make 20bb/hr from reliable sources. I don't think there's any doubt you can make 10bb/hr and still have a fair amount of leaks.
Well, that's why I wanted to hear what everyone's opinion on a good win rate at these stakes currently is. Mine is 10bb/hr.
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Old 06-10-2021, 01:17 AM   #25403
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That's good. *the end*
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Old 06-10-2021, 08:19 AM   #25404
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I always wonder how people are playing 2/5 and 5/10 and not know anything about expected win rate at those stakes.
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Old 06-10-2021, 11:05 AM   #25405
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Mine is 10bb/hr.
Over what sample size?

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Old 06-10-2021, 05:54 PM   #25406
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Over what sample size?

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Old 06-10-2021, 05:54 PM   #25407
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I always wonder how people are playing 2/5 and 5/10 and not know anything about expected win rate at those stakes.
I have 0 friends in poker and this is my first time back on 2+2 in many moons. I FIGURED 10 was great, but was looking for confirmation.
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Old 06-10-2021, 05:58 PM   #25408
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1400 hours
Solid, nice.

Not to discourage, but see my post just a page back which indicates how it is at least possible to post both biggish and smallish winrates thru ~similar sample sizes.

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Old 06-10-2021, 06:34 PM   #25409
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I have 0 friends in poker and this is my first time back on 2+2 in many moons. I FIGURED 10 was great, but was looking for confirmation.
top shelf w/r sir

Ive been perfessional for a long time I have a ton of gamboolin pals. Not many hit 10+over the long haul
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Old 06-10-2021, 06:40 PM   #25410
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My poker life is completely upside down. I have like $360 in my live roll (lol). I’ve been doing so well online that my online roll is ~10x this amount. This has never happened to me.
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Old 06-11-2021, 08:51 PM   #25411
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top shelf w/r sir

Ive been perfessional for a long time I have a ton of gamboolin pals. Not many hit 10+over the long haul
So, what's the better w/r's they have over the lonnnnggggggg haul?
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Old 06-11-2021, 09:37 PM   #25412
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My poker life is completely upside down. I have like $360 in my live roll (lol). I’ve been doing so well online that my online roll is ~10x this amount. This has never happened to me.
stars michigan I’m assuming?
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Old 06-12-2021, 01:38 AM   #25413
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So, what's the better w/r's they have over the lonnnnggggggg haul?
It depends on the game. I've played a 1/2 in Florida that was 500 max and then match the stack where everyone would just shove the first hand so they could rebuy at 4k. I didn't have a ton of hours there but I think my winrate would be >50bb/hr if I lived there.

Im at 13bb/hr at 2/5 1k max over my first 1200 hours since I switched from 99% online to 95% live play 8 months ago. And 5bb/hr at 5T 3k max (better players and I've only got around 500 hrs so not sure what it actually will be. Average stack is also only about 150bb usually)

If it was 500 max I doubt I could hit 10bb/hr.

It's more about the average stack and open sizes than the blinds

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Old 06-12-2021, 02:26 AM   #25414
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stars michigan I’m assuming?
Indeed, but I need to update my stats.

My live roll complaints can now end!


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Old 06-12-2021, 03:05 AM   #25415
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Indeed, but I need to update my stats.

My live roll complaints can now end!


big chips in the front please. lol
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Old 06-12-2021, 09:41 AM   #25416
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It depends on the game. I've played a 1/2 in Florida that was 500 max and then match the stack where everyone would just shove the first hand so they could rebuy at 4k. I didn't have a ton of hours there but I think my winrate would be >50bb/hr if I lived there.

Im at 13bb/hr at 2/5 1k max over my first 1200 hours since I switched from 99% online to 95% live play 8 months ago. And 5bb/hr at 5T 3k max (better players and I've only got around 500 hrs so not sure what it actually will be. Average stack is also only about 150bb usually)

If it was 500 max I doubt I could hit 10bb/hr.

It's more about the average stack and open sizes than the blinds
wheres a 1-2 game in florida thats match the stacks? all the ones i seen were 300 or 200 max, usually 50 min. never seen one with a 500 max buyin except for 1-2 plo
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Old 06-12-2021, 09:57 AM   #25417
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Northern Florida is full of them, especially at the greyhound track rooms.
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Old 06-12-2021, 10:20 AM   #25418
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Indeed, but I need to update my stats.

My live roll complaints can now end!


Is that your entire live roll on the table? Nice score.

IMO Pstars MI is so soft it's probably worth putting in 100% of your volume online. I think you could realistically make close to $100/h off a $3600 roll with fairly little risk, and that's not the ceiling.
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Old 06-12-2021, 12:47 PM   #25419
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big chips in the front please. lol
This, except without the lol.
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Old 06-12-2021, 01:15 PM   #25420
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EDIT: Sorry about the double post; the first attempt hung for minutes and then returned an Error 503.
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Old 06-12-2021, 02:39 PM   #25421
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I don't play hold 'em nearly as much as I used to. I stopped studying and started to plateau and ran meh over the last 500+ hours or so, so I switched to the dark side.

I don't know of many published live five-card/PLO5 winrates, so here's mine. Your mileage may vary.

7.5 bb/hr over 1,600 hours in my main game ($1/$2 with $5 bring-in which I count as $5 bb game), closer to 5 bb/hr. in the $5/$5/$15 which I am starting to play more frequently these days (but small sample).



For those who say it's just bingo and impossible to beat. Just sayin'. And my sample includes a fair amount of spew during my downswings/upswings.

I hope more card rooms spread this game, it's so juicy! Will keep hold 'em in the mix for the occasional change of pace. It's just so fun to flop top set and the nut flush draw in the same hand!

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Old 06-12-2021, 06:01 PM   #25422
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Is that your entire live roll on the table? Nice score.

IMO Pstars MI is so soft it's probably worth putting in 100% of your volume online. I think you could realistically make close to $100/h off a $3600 roll with fairly little risk, and that's not the ceiling.
I have a really hard time believing this. Are you arguing that stars MI is sister softer than 2/5 live?
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Old 06-12-2021, 06:31 PM   #25423
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I have a really hard time believing this. Are you arguing that stars MI is sister softer than 2/5 live?
10NL probably softer than 2|5 live. 30NL+ probably not. You can get like 15-20x the volume online though. $3600 you should be playing 100NL, or 200NL if you want to be aggressive.

$100/h is probably a bit much for 100NL, but I think is likely reasonable for 200NL. That's only 10BB/100 at 500 hands/hour. I'm on a short roll myself and haven't played 200NL at all yet so I probably shouldn't be making these claims, but I don't think I've ever seen softer games online.

Probably an easier claim to defend would be: No matter what your roll is you have higher profit potential online than live if you live in Michigan. The games are extremely soft and it probably won't last so get in on the action while it does.
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Old 06-12-2021, 06:39 PM   #25424
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I think you could realistically make close to $100/h off a $3600 roll with fairly little risk, and that's not the ceiling.
browni is very smart and knows what he’s taking about, but I highly disagree with him here.

I think you need closer to a $36,000 roll (exclusively for poker) to make that kind of money in true EV p/h even in the softest online games following good brm assuming you’re pretty good

lots of ifs there

reason being is you’ll probably need (depending on several factors) the entire $3,600 in action when you’re playing. And hopefully that’s a small % of your overall roll.

and my guess is you would need to be mixing in mid steaks as well on top of that almost undoubtedly unless you only play peak times

just my 2c though obv stars Michigan is nutted bc it’s a segregated pool

even the apps and what not are international pools so significantly tougher

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Old 06-12-2021, 06:52 PM   #25425
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browni is very smart and knows what he’s taking about, but I highly disagree with him here.

I think you need closer to a $36,000 roll (exclusively for poker) to make that kind of money in true EV p/h even in the softest online games following good brm assuming you’re pretty good

reason being you’ll want a couple thousand in action when you’re playing

and you’ll likely need to be mixing in mid steaks as well

just my 2c though obv stars Michigan is nutted bc it’s a segregated pool
Win rate is a very big component of RoR. I think $36k would be pretty reasonable for something like 500NL for traditionally "tough" online games. Softer games need substantially less to maintain a similar amount of short/medium-term risk.

18 BI for 200NL is obviously very aggressive but reasonable for shot-taking a soft game if you're willing to move back down when you don't do well. You're right you can end up with a lot of $ in action but it's probably better to play less tables while using a high-risk BRM strategy.

With all that said I'll admit I'm being very optimistic here and don't have evidence to back up my opinions (yet).
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