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Old 04-09-2021, 10:59 PM   #25226
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What I really was getting at was what it proper bankroll for 1/3? I get 600 is little for 1/3 . More or less I was just trying to see how many buy ins of 300 should I have for a proper roll
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:03 PM   #25227
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What I really was getting at was what it proper bankroll for 1/3? I get 600 is little for 1/3 . More or less I was just trying to see how many buy ins of 300 should I have for a proper roll
$600 is fine, I usually don't go over $200. You can use a shorter stack to your advantage.

Seriously though, post the QQ hand where everyone can see it.
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:12 PM   #25228
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What I really was getting at was what it proper bankroll for 1/3? I get 600 is little for 1/3 . More or less I was just trying to see how many buy ins of 300 should I have for a proper roll
You should decide how much money your willing to lose and put that towards poker. This goes for both winning players and losing players. There's no point in keeping a $10k bankroll if you're not actually willing to risk losing it all.

How much you need to keep a low risk of busting your roll depends on you. If you're losing obviously you're 100% to go broke in the long run if you play enough, no matter how many buy-ins you set aside for poker. To a small winner I'd probably recommend 30/$9000. That is if outside money never gets added.
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Old 04-10-2021, 11:59 AM   #25229
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$600 is fine, I usually don't go over $200. You can use a shorter stack to your advantage.

Seriously though, post the QQ hand where everyone can see it.
This isn't a bankroll, this is a session budget.
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Old 04-10-2021, 12:52 PM   #25230
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This isn't a bankroll, this is a session budget.
Well, I always thought of it as a "pocket bankroll".
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:04 PM   #25231
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What I really was getting at was what it proper bankroll for 1/3? I get 600 is little for 1/3 . More or less I was just trying to see how many buy ins of 300 should I have for a proper roll
Do you have a full time job with a decent income that allows you to cover all your bills/expenses/etc. that leaves you with decent play money that you can set on fire if you wish playing poker? If so, you don't really need a BR per se, and you can just play knowing that you can comfortably replenish your roll at any time.

Any more than that really depends on your exact situation. I'm guessing lottsa good winning players have gone on stretches where they've lost ~10 BIs or more. So there's a starting point at what can possibly happen to a good winning player, so plan accordingly for your situation.

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Old 04-15-2021, 06:48 AM   #25232
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You should decide how much money your willing to lose and put that towards poker. This goes for both winning players and losing players. There's no point in keeping a $10k bankroll if you're not actually willing to risk losing it all.

How much you need to keep a low risk of busting your roll depends on you. If you're losing obviously you're 100% to go broke in the long run if you play enough, no matter how many buy-ins you set aside for poker. To a small winner I'd probably recommend 30/$9000. That is if outside money never gets added.
What do you think would be an appropriate bankroll for 2/5 1000 max? 50k?
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Old 04-15-2021, 12:56 PM   #25233
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What do you think would be an appropriate bankroll for 2/5 1000 max? 50k?
for someone with NO OTHER INCOME? 100k if hes buying in $1000 max. $20k if he buys in for the $200 min. 100 buyins, always.


this is why i min buyin $100 in the $1-2 PLO. it doesnt keep me from still being able to average 1k a week in profit for 50k a year. Probably more than that now that im in florida, i know im making about 1.5k a week since coming here.
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Old 04-15-2021, 01:05 PM   #25234
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for someone with NO OTHER INCOME? 100k if hes buying in $1000 max. $20k if he buys in for the $200 min. 100 buyins, always.


this is why i min buyin $100 in the $1-2 PLO. it doesnt keep me from still being able to average 1k a week in profit for 50k a year. Probably more than that now that im in florida, i know im making about 1.5k a week since coming here.
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Old 04-15-2021, 02:26 PM   #25235
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If you buy in short at 1/3 ($100-$150) and stick to a good ss strat, $5,000 is enough.
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Old 04-15-2021, 03:01 PM   #25236
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What do you think would be an appropriate bankroll for 2/5 1000 max? 50k?

Assuming this is your job, 10-15k min. Anything less, think about moving down or buying in short.

If you have a job that pays your bills, 200 min
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Old 04-15-2021, 03:12 PM   #25237
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What do you think would be an appropriate bankroll for 2/5 1000 max? 50k?
Part of what I was trying to say is that it is different for each individual based on their skill, style of play, games they play in and life circumstances. There really isn't one answer.

I'll say though that 50 buyin downswings don't happen to good players live, even if you're taking money out for expenses. These games aren't that hard. I think a professional with reasonable living expenses and a good work ethic would have a really hard time busting $20k. Even $10k would likely be fine if you have a fallback plan in case you bust. But there's a huge range between professional and barely winning weekend warrior. A marginal winner might want $50k or more.
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Old 04-15-2021, 03:31 PM   #25238
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My revolutionary idea of currency consisting of nothing more than fistbumps and highfives plummeted all thanks to covid.

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Old 04-15-2021, 03:39 PM   #25239
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I lost 6 buyins in < 1 hour at Gardens 5/10 one time -- I'm 100% sure all unavoidable.
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Old 04-15-2021, 04:25 PM   #25240
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I lost 6 buyins in < 1 hour at Gardens 5/10 one time -- I'm 100% sure all unavoidable.
Not sure what you're point is, but it's impossible to have 0 RoR no matter how big your bankroll is. Best you can do is minimize risk to a level that's acceptable to you. Some people have more risk tolerance or better fallback opportunities so that they can play on a shorter roll. A pro with basically no other skills and who is unemployable might want a larger roll.
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Old 04-15-2021, 04:30 PM   #25241
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My point is people saying "oh almost impossible to lose X" likely have ran above expectation.
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Old 04-20-2021, 09:01 AM   #25242
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I'm at $30k now and have attempted switching over to 2/5 max $1000 a couple times, but the natural bad variance situations hurt a bit too much. I think I'm a bit more risk averse than your average poker player as well..

I'm at $22/hr over 2,500 hrs at 1/3. I'd love to be able to move up.

I'm much more closer to break even at 2/5 as well. I'm also in in tough midweek games. It is my only income at the moment..

It's OK though, the 500 max juicy and less risky.. I'd love to find a way to play weekends...
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Old 04-20-2021, 11:18 AM   #25243
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If it is your only source of income then I'd suggest sticking to your 1/3 NL game (that it looks like you are a proven winner in) and then simply keep an eye on the neighbouring 2/5 NL game and only jump into it when it looks good.

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Old 04-20-2021, 01:43 PM   #25244
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ive always felt the games are better during the day, players are more predictable, and at night or weekends, too many youngers players coming in who might surprise u. also a lot of good players who take it seriously only play nights or weekends, so its best to play when theyre not.
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Old 04-23-2021, 11:58 AM   #25245
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ive always felt the games are better during the day, players are more predictable, and at night or weekends, too many youngers players coming in who might surprise u. also a lot of good players who take it seriously only play nights or weekends, so its best to play when theyre not.
I see where you're coming from, but for the most part the biggest fish come out at night and on the weekends. I do agree that the better recs tend to come out at these times, too, but the fish way outnumber them.
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Old 04-23-2021, 12:25 PM   #25246
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ive always felt the games are better during the day, players are more predictable, and at night or weekends, too many youngers players coming in who might surprise u. also a lot of good players who take it seriously only play nights or weekends, so its best to play when theyre not.
This is tantamount to saying "Stealing the blinds from Old Man Coffee is better than trying to stack drunken businessmen, because sometimes the drunken businessmen stack you instead."
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Old 04-23-2021, 03:39 PM   #25247
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Actually, TBCs story checks out at my old local casino in bum**** nowhere IA/MN border.

All the rich farmers play day hours in the winter, and the grinders play nights/weekends.

Both games still very beatable, but the day games were definitely better.
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Old 04-23-2021, 06:29 PM   #25248
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Many of the best players at Winstar were weekend grinders. They tend to play Thursday through Saturday so Thursday nights tended to not be great. Friday before rush hour was the nut low because most of the grinders would be there already and none of the fish. Friday night and the rest of the weekend was fish central though.

My personal preference is to play more with OMCs and poker enthusiasts rather than drunk morons, although I do play more at night than during the day.
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Old 04-27-2021, 11:01 PM   #25249
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Maybe not the perfect place to pose this question, but I'm curious if anyone who peruses this forum has put in serious volume in the newer texas card rooms? I've lived in Florida the last 6-8 years and played all over. Obviously, the games are and have been the softest I can imagine games being but I'm sort of at a spot where I'm debating a change of scenery. Can anyone speak from a WR perspective, maybe, if they have experience with both, how they think they compare? From streams and such, it appears like all 1-3 2-5 just play extremely deep but not necessarily any better than what I'm used to at the more standard 100bb and 150bb caps.
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Old 04-28-2021, 08:03 AM   #25250
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I've played in them, though not extensively. From my experience, they are deep and splashy. Very beatable, but it's higher variance because the average player is much more wild than the loose/passive donators I'm used to making most of my money off of. That said, I have little experience in Florida, so I'm not really able to make a comparison.
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