Obviously 100 hours is not significantly meaningful in any shape, form or fashion. That's like 2 weeks of play for a Euro pro but you've managed to stretch it out over 5 months (with 30+ "sessions") which makes it seem like a lot more than it really is.

Your first session you bought in for $300 and cashed out for $3k four hours later. I don't play much 1/2 but I'm sure that's not a typical result in standard 1/2 games, and could be close to impossible in certain 1/2 games. Like, how could you make $3k if everyone buys in for $100 and if they lose that then they nurse a $50 short-buy? My point being that these 1/2 games are in a no way comparable to standard 1/2 games. The stacks are deeper and the players have way more loose money. Does that mean these games are more like typical 2/5 games? Not necessarily. The only people that really have a clue of what's actually attainable in these games are the ones who play them regularly.

FWIW, I've heard the # $50/hr thrown around for Dallas 1/2. Texas has the softest 1/2 games in the country and obviously some of the biggest as well.

This marks my first month back to poker in a 3 year gap. I play(ed) a game similar to GG's short/mid stack strategy.

Sessions: 15
Wins/losses : 13-2
Profit: 3532
Hours: 69.5
Wins over 300: 6

Won't be sustainable but its nice to put a decent amount of hours in to refining ones game when poker wasn't available and having a massive first month back. Ive modified what I have learned from a couple of sources on this website and it has led me on quite the adventure. I made someone fold and show bottom set on a JT26r board with KQ. I occasionally limp reraise from EP with holdings that are nowhere near the nuts and Ive become accustomed to not playing a hand for 2 hours and firing 4 barrels with ace high. Also 3 of the biggest pots I played (800-900) I lost.

Lol, now if I can only get these type of results!

What steaks? Looks like $50/hr which is obviously crushing at lowest steaks, nice... although obviously lol sample size.

I'm sunrunning myself this year, current sitting on 9.03 bb/hr over 209 hours. But sample size is just so lolable, and this is coming out of a ~150 hour breakeven stretch.

GcluelesssunrunningnoobG

1/3

I was slightly over 11 bb/hr in the same room pre lockdowns over a year sample size (1200~ hrs) with a 79% winrate. WR is gonna go down cause I bluff a high % of my hands now compared to before but the profits should get even better. Im at a huge advantage because I show down so few hands that people don't realize im stealing so much and the one huge hand that I got called where I did't have it the table didn't make me turn it over which was a NFD + OESD that bricked out when I ran into top set.

I guess if we're showing heaters, here's my 2022 so far. $170/hr over 50 hours. Maybe 10 hours 1/3 the rest 3/5.



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Very nice!

My best run was a 1013 hour sample size at 12.79 bb/hr.

My worst run was a 1307 hour sample size at 3.97 bb/hr.

The second run was ~right after the first one.

Glol@1000hoursamplesizes,imoG

My best run was +$600K in 16 months.

Worst is -$200K in 7 months.

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I don't know what stakes and bank roll I would need to not let a -200k swing over half a year get to me.

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It came after my best run, if that answers your question. It still got to me.

Great thread. Been very helpful.

What's the recommended android poker tracker software for live play?

Thank you in advance.

I've been using poker bankroll tracker. I don't know if it's best, just that it works and I don't see the need to pivot to anything else.

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Vegas shithole that I stayed at 5 or 6 years ago was like $700/month. Yesterday, they had nothing under $2,000. Crazy. Although the Vegas housing market is starting to crash.

Jeezus! that is in fact nuts.

Any pullback in home prices will be more than made up for by rising mortgage rates. It's not getting any cheaper to own a home, not that 1/2 and 1/3 grinders own their own home....unless it's a Prius.

I recognize that this should probably be posted in BBV, but I haven't been in that forum in over a decade. I'd be fine if this got moved to the LLSNL winrate thread. But this is my brag thread.

I started after seeing rounders and mostly played Stud poker. After the Moneymaker world series in 2003, a couple of friends convinced me to move over to Texas Hold'em. At that time no one really played NLHE and I started at $4-8 and quickly moved to $10-20 limit. Because I was starting a new game, I started tracking my results in MS excel to see how I was doing. By 2007, the games I was playing in were pretty much drying up and I was forced to switch to NLHE at the $1-2 level. I regret not tracking my results, but I think I was probably a small winner. I am a retired Navy veteran and towards the end of 2013 I started tracking my results again on phone apps. I then found all of my old MS excel spreadsheets (I had a separate sheet for each month at the time) and combined all results into one spreadsheet that I have been tracking results on since that time. I consider myself to be a $1-3 NLHE regular, but this year I have started to play $2-5 NLHE much more often. My thought process there is that I think by the time I actually retire from working that $2-5 will be the lowest limit that is still beatable for any sustainable rate.

Some notable things about my data. Yes, I was an overall loser for a year in 2016. I was going for a certification at my job that I did get and may have been distracted. My Friday results are horrific! Part of that is that I will drink on Fridays to cut loose after a long week at work. I also think I may play too tired on Fridays after working all week.

Pretty Pictures!

You're right. This should be in the winrates thread.

Moved.

@ Submerged

Congrats on the $100K mark!

Lol, your overall results of $20.64/hr trumps my current $20.63/hr at 1/3 NL by 1 cent. Nice!

Very interesting that your Friday results are so poor and yet that is also the day you've gotten the most hours (in which case I would have expected this winrate to be closest to your overall winrate due to relative sample size, sorta similar to what your Saturday winrate is doing). For example, in my case the day winrate that is closest to my overall winrate is Sunday's, which I would expect as I've put in 33% of my hours on Sunday. You might want to lay off the sauce on Friday!

My guess is that eventually the 1/3 NL game (the lowest steaks in a lot of rooms) will eventually be replaced by the 2/5 NL game as the lowest steak game anyways.

Ggogogo!,imoG

In my card room, it's 90% 1/2 with a couple of tables of 1/3 and 2/5. Some people just don't want to buy in for that much money.

What is the minimum number of hours where your true winrate starts to emerge?

1000 hours is considered the bare mininum of a somewhat decent samplesize. You could also sunrun or run like garbage+ everything in between during those hours so variance plays a big role.

However,for me its much more important to observe how a certain player actually play in order to gauge how good he is. Number of hours just tells me that much of the total picture.

Is his ranges in check from all positions? Is he exploiting whats happenning at the table properly? Does he have huge imbalance in his game,aka overbluffing,over c betting or totally underbluffing? Is he 3 betting light or strictly premiums? Does he have tilt issues,and if so how severe?

I could go on forever,but you get the point.

I’m at 2700ish hours and my WR still fluctuates at a descent clip from session to session.

At this point I’m not 100% certain a “true WR” at live poker is really possible; it’s always going to include a sizable +/-.

I play a super low variance style and the players in my game are terrible (A guy stuck in 100BBs pre-flop with T5s today after tanking on the decision). I had a winrate of $20-$25/hour many years ago that was established over more than 1,000 hours. I went years without playing. Now, I just started playing again and my winrate is the same $25/hour over 100 hours. My game is about the same. The tables are about the same. It doesn't feel like I've been especially lucky or especially unlucky. I guess I shouldn't read too much into it yet.

Curdonol - as others have stated live sample size to be meaningful is really big.

But. If you can describe exactly where your edge comes from, adjustments you make v varying player types, reasons for lack of recirpocity, where exactly your opponents make large blunders and how exactly you expoloit them. Couple that with discipline and lack of tilt and a strong w/r over a decent sample (your 1k hr sample) with a few year break and not muich changing you can have confidence that you are winning at a decent clip

For a a real world example Curd, I play in a bullshit 25c/50c 'home game' where I'm winning at an average of ~$10/hour.
In the last ~year, I've played ~750 hours and those broke down as:
1st ~150: -$4.37/hour, -$630
2nd ~150: +$44.69/hour, +$6,365
3rd ~150: -$11.26/hour, -$1,711
4th ~150: -$1.44/hour, -$221
5th ~150: +$20.98/hour, +3630

If I took any of those 150 hours samples, I could either think I'm a massive bleeding fish or a giant crusher who needs to go pro. Neither one is probably true.
Even the 750 hours is probably (almost) totally meaningless in a game this swingy.

Thanks, man. Great real world breakdown. I'm pretty nitty. So, while I don't always maximize profits, I think my swings are probably smaller than most. When I played in Vegas, I didn't have a losing month over 2 years and didn't have many losing weeks (although my food/alcohol/drug $$ was always losing...lol). But yeah, 150 hours is what....like 4,000 hands. Not super meaningful.

I do think if you have experience, you know if you lost because you're running bad or because you're playing bad. Like right now, I'm running close to neutral on all-in pre-flop situations. I've been unlucky with flush over flushes. I've been lucky to have not lost set-over-set. I've been unlucky with fish hitting their flushes on the river in big pots. I've been lucky with my AA/KK holding up. I've been lucky with promotions. I've been unlucky with straight draws.

Quantifying all that is hard; but you know when you're running good and when you're not. The other (possibly bigger) factor is how villains play. Bad players = more profit. I had a guy cold call my 3-bet jam with T8s. So, regardless of whether or not you win that particular hand, you can calculate your equity x pot. Sklansky dollars?

150 hours to me might be more meaningful to me than most because I play conservatively....or maybe I'm wrong. LOL. I guess I'll find out.