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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

05-01-2019 , 10:09 PM
Month #2 coming back to poker.

+834 profit. 48 hours played.

Trying to make an occasional big bluff to get my bigger hands paid and to practice putting more money in the pot. 2 of my 5 triple barrels worked and 1 big river reraise didnt work. Would probably be up 1300ish if I wasnt making these kind of moves but I feel they are necissary.
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05-01-2019 , 10:30 PM
Only 4 sessions in April, only one longer than 1.5 hours.

+$396 over 9.1 hours. And I've never been sadder about a $43/hr winrate.
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05-01-2019 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Month #2 coming back to poker.

+834 profit. 48 hours played.

Trying to make an occasional big bluff to get my bigger hands paid and to practice putting more money in the pot. 2 of my 5 triple barrels worked and 1 big river reraise didnt work. Would probably be up 1300ish if I wasnt making these kind of moves but I feel they are necissary.
How are they "necessary?" If they are profitable you should be doing it. If they're not you shouldn't.

1/3 bluffs succeeding might not be too bad depending on your sizing if they couldn't win at showdown, although a 6 hand sample size obviously doesn't mean anything at all.

I think my triple barrels and bluff raises work more than half the time, but I'm extremely selective about them.
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05-01-2019 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
How are they "necessary?" If they are profitable you should be doing it. If they're not you shouldn't.

1/3 bluffs succeeding might not be too bad depending on your sizing if they couldn't win at showdown, although a 6 hand sample size obviously doesn't mean anything at all.

I think my triple barrels and bluff raises work more than half the time, but I'm extremely selective about them.
My goal isnt to stay at 1/3 my entire life. I am trying to get comfy moving chips around because I breath too heavy when I have big hands.
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05-02-2019 , 12:17 AM
A brutal April for me. Ran bad, played worse, and even had to force myself to take a 10 day break to clear my head. Break even for the month over 60hrs before taking the break. Still at $26hr over 330hrs of 1-2 $400max for the year. Here's hoping I can get my head back on straight and get back on track in May.
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05-02-2019 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
My goal isnt to stay at 1/3 my entire life. I am trying to get comfy moving chips around because I breath too heavy when I have big hands.
It helps me to focus on making the right decisions and trying not to care about whether they call/fold against my bets. After an all-in I just mentally clock out and think about something not poker related while they tank. I don't think it's effective to consciously make bad plays.

Also, if you wanna move up, it'll be faster if you're not punting buy-ins in bad spots just because you want to get more comfortable in large pots/bluffing.

Big bluffs absolutely should be part of your game at 1|2 and 1|3, but don't force it just for the sake of experience. Enough spots should come up naturally that you shouldn't need to force things.
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05-02-2019 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
It helps me to focus on making the right decisions and trying not to care about whether they call/fold against my bets. After an all-in I just mentally clock out and think about something not poker related while they tank. I don't think it's effective to consciously make bad plays.

Also, if you wanna move up, it'll be faster if you're not punting buy-ins in bad spots just because you want to get more comfortable in large pots/bluffing.

Big bluffs absolutely should be part of your game at 1|2 and 1|3, but don't force it just for the sake of experience. Enough spots should come up naturally that you shouldn't need to force things.
I never said I was forcing it or triple barreling in bad spots. I am trying these moves (mostly) on the right people with the right board but I know some regs just know when I have a huge hand and a triple barrel without heavy breathing makes it obvious to some. In the hours Ive played with the amount of times that I said Ive tried I thought that was more clear.
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05-02-2019 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
Only 4 sessions in April, only one longer than 1.5 hours.
How come the mini-sessions? To me that's like getting our golf clubs in the car, head to the golf course, getting all ready, playing the first 2 holes, and then calling it a day.

If I can't play for at least 5 hours, I don't even bother showing up.

Gjustme?G
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05-02-2019 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
How come the mini-sessions? To me that's like getting our golf clubs in the car, head to the golf course, getting all ready, playing the first 2 holes, and then calling it a day.

If I can't play for at least 5 hours, I don't even bother showing up.

Gjustme?G
Had to work downtown in Detroit for basically an entire week (conference). So of course I stayed at 2 different Casinos for three nights. Figured I'd be able to get a couple of decent sessions in after everything in the evenings ... didn't work out that way.

Not going to drive anywhere for a short session.
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05-02-2019 , 01:21 PM
My average session length goes way down when I'm playing within a 30 minute drive. I almost never play more than 5 hours even when it's not, though. My back and my concentration give out about then.
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05-02-2019 , 01:33 PM
*ETA: winrates, lol.

My PokerJournal states:

569 1/3 NL Sessions

<= 1 hour: 2 ($78.55/hr)
1 - 2 hours: 9 ($58.86)
2 - 3 hours: 3 ($26.93)
3 - 4 hours: 4 ($29.22)
4 - 5 hours: 9 ($33.04)

So 27 of my 569 sessions (4.7%) are 5 hours or less. Pretty sure almost all of those were my wife dropping me off at poker daycare while she shopped during out-of-town trips, and maybe a couple of Vegas room hops.

Played a 5.75 hour session last night thanks to a bit of a wait to get on a table after work and it felt like nothing. Ship the $46, lol.

ETA:

lol

5 - 6 hours: 77 ($24.19)
6 - 7 hours: 182 ($23.16)
7 - 8 hours: 34 ($5.11)
8 - 9 hours: 27 ($18.42)
9 - 10 hours: 80 ($18.88)
10 - 11 hours: 70 ($19.45)
11 - 12 hours: 46 ($23.49)
12+ hours: 26 ($21.34)

ETA: I should obviously never plan a 7 - 8 hour session and instead concentrate on my 0 - 2 hour hit-and-runs, lol.

GcluelessshortsessionsnoobG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 05-02-2019 at 01:57 PM.
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05-02-2019 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
My average session length goes way down when I'm playing within a 30 minute drive. I almost never play more than 5 hours even when it's not, though. My back and my concentration give out about then.
You sound just like me. Currently I live close to my home casino. I may sometimes play 6-8 hrs in a day, but it's broken up into 2 sessions with me going home for a few hours in between. Mostly a bunch of 3-4hr sessions.
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05-02-2019 , 01:44 PM
I could probably filter my data and get some statistics about this if I really wanted to ...

But I can tell you that if I go to one of the charity rooms 15-20 mins away I'll tend to play about a 2-3 hour session (usually the game breaks or sucks by then) on average. If I'm driving to a casino 35-60 mins away I'm playing at least 5 hours unless there's a crazy cooler/heater happening.

It's the weird "at the casino for something else" sessions that are always odd.
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05-02-2019 , 01:49 PM
Yeah, I just tallied up my 53 sessions that I have logged since I started tracking and my average session is a touch over 11 hours long.
It’s not completely by choice though, I have a long drive, so when I play, I try to make sure I have a good 10+ hours to play. Pretty sure my results would be a bit better if I could do more 5-8 hour sessions.
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05-02-2019 , 01:58 PM
OK. Damnit, I already have it in the output.

6060 hours, up to Feb of this year, mixed NLHE and PLO.

1405 sessions total

0 - 1 hour: 25
1 - 2 hours: 138
2 - 3 hours: 251
3 - 4 hours: 273
4 - 5 hours: 224
5 - 6 hours: 184
6 - 7 hours: 135
7 - 8 hours: 92
8 - 9 hours: 45
9 -10 hours: 14
> 10 hours: 24

Longest session 18.6 hours (at hour 92 in 2008, for a $40 loss).
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05-02-2019 , 02:01 PM
You putting in more hours lately Angrist? Lol, I thought I was beginning to catch you but you're toasting me.

GcluelesshoursnoobG
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05-02-2019 , 02:23 PM
45 - 50 minute drive to each of the casino's near me.

Since I started using current tracking app,3,983 hours across 471 sessions for average length of 8.46 hours be per.

Driving for a short session is a waste of my time.

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05-02-2019 , 02:53 PM
I’ve been driving 25ish minutes both ways to play 90-120 minutes sessions. My life is too busy
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05-02-2019 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
You putting in more hours lately Angrist? Lol, I thought I was beginning to catch you but you're toasting me.

GcluelesshoursnoobG
My overall (lifetime) average is 48 hours/month, or 576hrs/year.

April was my third lightest month ever, and the first time in 21 months I've been under 30 hours.

I blame a combination of work busyness (that week I mentioned hurt a lot) and a hypothetical problem with my local home game.
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05-02-2019 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
My overall (lifetime) average is 48 hours/month, or 576hrs/year.

April was my third lightest month ever, and the first time in 21 months I've been under 30 hours.

I blame a combination of work busyness (that week I mentioned hurt a lot) and a hypothetical problem with my local home game.
You're putting in slightly more volume than me on average. I just hope I can keep up my current volume over the next few years+.

Last night I actually began worrying about the long term state of our game even more. Basically, we've had a capped-at-$500K BBJ going since before Christmas, and that's really kept our 5 tables packed a decent amount of the time (and even made it difficult to get on at certain days / times). A couple of weeks ago it was hit, but the backup reached the capped-at-$500K within a couple of days so business as usual. But the crowds (which are completely reg infested) have waned. Played all day Saturday where I can't recall exactly if they got the 5th table going (but if they did it took them a long time to do so). Last night it took a long time to get the 4th table going and they didn't even get a 5th table going. My guess between the regs going broke chasing the BBJ and the game becoming tougher overall that it might slow down again. The tables last night certainly had their spots, and the regular action players, but they also had a lotta solid (or at the very least non-horrendous) grinders too. It's made me realize how tenuous the state of the game may really be, and just currently briefly disguised by BBJ hysteria. Most of my 2015 was spent playing at the only table running in the room. There's a chance it still may return to that, in spite of fewer rooms running.

Basically, I'm trying to have a better appreciation for what I currently have, because it may not always be here.

GbutI'vealwaysbeena"skyisfalling"kindaguyG
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05-02-2019 , 04:27 PM
Probably had a drop in volume from the BBJ chasers thinking "it just hit, it's not going to hit again for a while now" and taking a break.

I think you're consistently over estimating how bad your game/market is. And underestimating how much people have adapted to you.

Action moves around from room to room, and ebbs and flows throughout the year. This is a time where (at least in MI) the rooms thin out a little bit because it's finally nice outside. It picks back up in a month. It thins out right after Christmas too. The FL games have a big swing "in-season" too.
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05-02-2019 , 04:52 PM
In my case, I can’t imagine driving 40 minutes both ways to the casino and back to play only a 2-hour session. I average around 5-6 hours now; end of April ended up playing more like 7-9 to get my hours up at the end of the month. Gotta put in that volume! 179 hours in April, 163 in March, 151 in February. And yes I made more the more I played. Interestingly, November was my worst month ever and I played over 210 hours.

Last edited by DumbosTrunk; 05-02-2019 at 04:58 PM.
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05-02-2019 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
In my case, I can’t imagine driving 40 minutes both ways to the casino and back to play only a 2-hour session. I average around 5-6 hours now; end of April ended up playing more like 7-9 to get my hours up at the end of the month. Gotta put in that volume! 179 hours in April, 163 in March, 151 in February. And yes I made more the more I played. Interestingly, November was my worst month ever and I played over 210 hours.
Yeah, that's way too far too drive to play short sessions consistently. I literally live 5min away from my local casino, so i can play for a few hours and go home for lunch or whatever without it taking much time. It works out well for me , as I realize my play often deteriorates after 4-5hrs. So just being able to get away for a couple hours and take a break helps me considerably if I plan on playing a 7-8hr day.
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05-03-2019 , 05:45 PM
You guys sure put impressive amounts of volume at the tables, especially considering your drives.
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05-04-2019 , 01:43 PM
https://imgur.com/a/4au3GEG

Hi all!

I have finally gotten to over 1000 hours of live play!

The results are in the link let me know what you guys think please and feel free to comment anything and on my graph!

Overall making 15.80/hr of combined 1/2 and 1/3 play

Winning 16.55/hr in 940 hours of 1/3 play.

Over my last 852 hours of 1/3 (when I stared buying in for 300 max) I am winning 19.91/hr

Standard deviation of $105.52/hr

Winning 30/hr in roughly 200 hours in Las Vegas

Played about 650 hours the last year and win 20.72/hr

Thank you all!

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