Hi all,

I started playing on ACR 0.25/0.5 on my friend's account (I cannot create one for some reason, perhaps because I am in Maryland) and am making good money, $100 so far. What is a fair deal for me in terms of % of my winnings to keep? I.e., what is the privilege of using his account worth? (It's also on his buy in.)

My other friend, who is not a poker player, thought I should keep 100% of my winnings.

Thanks,
DT

Hi everyone,

Just out of curiosity....

If I’m beating 1/3 over a ~800-900 hour sample size for between 5-6bb/hr with a 7 dollar total rake and jackpot drop what is a rough estimate on how I would do in a typical 2/5 game with 100bb stacks (like at the bellagio) over a large sample

Thank you all So much

You're likely the only one who would have a handle on this guesstimate, and the only way would be to play in the game and see how it compares to your game.

GimoG

Impossible to estimate IMO. It's hard to know how the two games differ. Moving up will also require adjustments. Not sure where your WR is coming from and how that will translate at higher stakes. Bellagio 2/5 plays smaller than many though with 500 max buy last I was there so the money gap to that game may not be as steep. The skill gap is harder to estimate. Your WR at your local 1/3 indicates to me that you have the potential to make the adjustments and beat a larger game but potential can take months of hard work or more to realize. For me it took about 250 hours before I was break even at 2/5 (as a rec player only shot taking this spanned a couple years).

so it’s his money and his account and you should keep 100% of the winnings?

Good question. I wouldn't feel right keeping 100%. Beating the rake is tough enough though. Am I greedy if I only split it 95/5?

What if you lose money. Do you owe him or is it a stake?

Yeah, but it's not a typical staking arrangement in that I can't afford to play; I simply don't have access to this site. I thought perhaps giving him the initial buy in ($25) and then giving him 25% of whatever I win as a user's fee?

This is super generous IMO. He has nothing to lose. Anyone want to use my account in this manner? LOL

and will you compensate him if he loses his account and all funds if the account sharing gets discovered?

Yeah was gonna say that’s technically against the rules and could get funds confiscated. Probably not a good idea to discuss it. Just stick with sites you can play on, which idk what is banned where.

I didn’t know about that rule. And no he doesn’t expect me to pay if I lose.

Where are you playing 1/3 with a $2 promo drop? Venetian? If so is it worth the $2 they take on a $10 pot compared to playing 1/3 at Bellagio or Aria with no promo drop?

$2 promo drop is a great thing as long as it's not an insanely high variance promo like a BBJ or royal flush jackpot, etc. All of the money is supposed to come back to players so it's not really rake, and depending on the promo the drop is even likely to be +EV for you because tighter hand ranges are going to have higher promo EV generally. The right kind of promos also draw in fish, and promos make people play worse (like checking down sets for high hands)

I think in this spot I would make sure to leave no less than $50 aside for him, and work on running up the other $50 up for yourself. You could always just ask him what he thinks is fair as well. And yes, doing this is technically against the rules.

It's more than technically against the rules. Figure out what it will take to get your own account and don't risk your friend's account and your money that is in it.

No I play in Cleveland. Good question long term... I have no idea. I won a 5k BBJ a few weeks ago tho

They have had excellent promos lately and it seems the room is thriving recently because of it.

I did win a 5k BBJ but I don’t include it in my winrate.

Agree lots of people ply bad due to the promo

Heard. I'll just drop all this and try to find a way to get my own account at some point. I tried getting an ACR account but it was immediately suspended.

It was fun while it lasted.

Hahahahaha, truth. It’s not just a technicality.
It’s been over a decade since I played online, but Garick speaks the truth here.

I'd suggest you quit your friend's account as soon as possible. I don't know how much ACR cares about enforcement but what you're doing is very easy to detect if they bothered. Especially as you already have a frozen account of your own.

I play mostly small stakes PLO on ACR.

The odds of grinding up a single buy-in (which seems to be what you're saying here; correct me if I'm wrong) are not good (to be kind), unless you go on a long, mad heater (which, though unlikely, is within the realm of possibility).

Apart from the low-stakes rake trap, there tend to be semi-competent regs at online low stakes (not to mention some bots and colluders), who'll make it hard to progress without a significant roll.

While you might get away with grinding up from 20 (or even 10) buy-ins live, you really need 50-100 BI's online, especially at low stakes.

This seems crazy to me. How and why could this be true? 50 BI minimum? Is that just PLO? I can't imagine low stakes being that swingy for NLH...

It’s about right.

Just think about it this way, your 4-8 tabling online you have 4 to 8 buy ins on the table at once minimum. With 50 bi even that could be 20 percent of roll almost.

Personally I like 40 bi for me, 4-6 tabling plo and Holdem depending on the game and time.

But couldn't you single or double table your way up as you roll increases? Is it just time consuming and tedious to run up a roll without 4-8 tabling or are you saying it's impossible or not worth it?

Even though you have more in play at the same time, the sessions are all independent. It's not like you're going to the felt in all 8 sessions right?

I don't think the number of tables matters for your BR requirement that way. They're still independent.

PLO is just vastly swingier than NLHE.