Hi guys,

I will post a full report once i reach 1k hours in live total

Can I please have some honest feedback and opinions?

I have a full time job and play poker usually two days a week on the side and take it serious with a few trips to Las Vegas a a year to grind.

Over the course of 840 hours I have a $12.13 total winrate and winning 12.65/hr at 1/3 with 751 hours and 7.74 an hour at 1/2 over 88 hours.

Over the last 750 hours I am winning a total of 15.22/hr with 16.43/hr at 1/3 over 664 hours.

Thoughts on this overall? My first 100 hours were pretty bad and over my last 750 hours I started to buy in for the max (300). I was definitely scared money overall.

thank you guys so much.

Richard, you're winning about 5 bbs an hour over your first several hundred tracked hours, yeah? That's great.

Hey Cannabusto!

Appreciate the input!

I think I put so much thought into winrate and even though I understand individual results shouldn’t matter/ I should just focus on making the correct decision. Sometimes it’s hard not to be results oriented.

It’s nice to just take a step back sometimes and look at my results over the long term (my first 100 hours were pretty bad/ I bought in short)

I lost a pretty big pot yesterday as a huge favorite and just feel kinda down from it even though I shouldn’t be.

But yeah since I got my full time job I’m winning a little over $15/hr over 750 hours at 1/3 and 1/2 combined.. not sure I’ll ever be able to obtain the 10bb/hr level over a significant sample size

Most players lose. 10bb/hr is crushing the game. You are at least squeezing it.

You're winning at more than a non-breakevenish clip, which is likely much better than the vast majority of your opponents (most of which are losers, especially in a raked game).

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Well MikeStarr, the mod deleted our texts in that other thread and told us to post here. But anyway, yeah, it’s very possible for really good regs to make $75+/hr long term in today’s 2/5 games...and not only in Los Angeles. I always find it interesting that many regs feel that it’s only possible to make something like $40-45/hr, which is conveniently right at or just barely above what they’re currently making. Funny how that works.

Now doubt flood of giraffes over reasonable sample sizes incoming to help provide at least some sort of proof to this claim?

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You are most certainly running well above expectation. It's live poker, it's super slow, you can run above expectation your whole life and never know it.

I know several regs who have such winrates but they don’t post here. Not sure about the regs who are posting here. The vast majority of “good” regs around here may just be the standard average unimaginative and unimpressive regs that generally play in the 2/5 games across the country and make like $30/hour.

Oh, well then I stand corrected.

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How many consecutive years can my friends and I run above expectation?

Excellent question that fits well with the thread IMO. How many hours per year are you guys logging? What are your results?

I travel a lot. Where do you and your friends play? Id love to play at your table and see the greatness in action.

Like I said in the post you quoted, ALL the years, a lifetime.

Vegas, Florida, Cali, New Jersey, etc. In fairness, I think these people are the best players in the game...at least among the people I’ve encountered.

Well in one of his posts that got deleted he implied why grind 2000 hours when you can play 1000 instead for a guaranteed $60k like clockwork. Sounds like they have a real strong work ethic.

Um, all.

It's possible to run above EV for your entire life

That’s not what I said. I said it’s very possible (and even expected) for certain regs to make 60k in 1000 hours or fewer. I didn’t say or imply that someone should stop playing once they hit the 60k mark. That’s obviously not the case, as none of the players I’m talking about stop each year when they hit that number.

Now that I’ve lurked the whole short stack vs. deep stack conversation/debate; and we’ve decided (I think) that playing 50bb deep isn’t as aids inducing as some around here make it out to be..will the variance be lower assuming we play this strategy well allowing for less complicated decisions/getting in ahead more often than not or will variance be higher employing this halfstack strategy since we’re going to be all-in a lot?

Can we get away with a smaller than usual starting bankroll employing this strategy (10-15 BI as opposed to 20-30) with a similar risk of ruin or is that a fallacy?

Edit: I played with a reg for a while who told me 1,000 was fine to start at 1/2 and I deduced that he was a winning/thinking player. Still not sure if I believe him

You probably shouldn't. Most live regs have zero clue what they're talking about and a ton think they are +EV when they aren't.

Playing 50BB is fine if that's what you enjoy. People hate on shortstackers for various reasons but you can definitely do it and be nearly as successful as full-stackers if you're good at it, and with less swings.

Shortstacks should experience lower variance, although some people are going to post after me telling me I'm wrong.

$1000 is "fine" as a bankroll for a rec player who doesn't plan on adding or taking any money to/from it, especially if you're shortstacking. You have a decent chance of going broke. I hope you can play well with that fact hanging over your head constantly.

I shortstacked 5/10 games online back in the day and although I made a ton of money, my variance was higher than I ever saw coming. So, yeah, Im gonna say youre wrong.

How many hands did you play? Your experience of shortstacking mid stakes online might not be as vast as you think. I can't help but doubt your claim is actually based on a decent sample size.

How deep are you buying in for/what is your opening range like? Just out of pure curiosity.

(not sure if you’ve disclosed your regular room/game here before or if you play regularly with anyone itt so forgive me if answering my question is giving up EV and just ignore if so)

I've mentioned this recently here in describing my more recent ~1000 hours Super Nit style, but:

- buying in / keeping stack topped of to 66bbs

- In EP/MP (and sometimes even in LP, table dependent) I mostly have a ~0% opening range (although this also depends on how tight/aggro/deep the table is, I mean, I still do open some hands in some spots)

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