Have you or anyone else tried to ss at 2/5? Results?

A well orchestrated short stack strategy can win but is suboptimal.

My guess is a short stack at 2/5 earns about the same or less as full stacked 1/3 with waaaay more variance


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I've only played 90 minutes of 2/5 NL, and the game doesn't run enough in my neck of the woods to try it on a regular basis.

As I mention in your PG&C thread, a lot of it depends on what the minimum BI is especially relative to the "normal" preflop raise size. If you can BI for relatively small with regards to this (just as you've been doing for your 1/3 NL game) then you'll likely do ok. Otherwise, some minimum BIs may almost force you to sit relatively deep, in which case you better know what you're doing.

GgoodluckG

MartaGdynia (not sure of the spelling)

I have played quite a bit with him in LV. He comes over for the summers and is an hours cranking machine. He plays a short stack well at the 2/5 leveland does not appear to tilt at all. Check out his threads in LVL. He has a very decent sample size at this point with an absolute ton of information re his w/r

Now that I think about it I believe fluxboy has a large sample SS 1/2 in Vegas. But the rake there is much cheaper than in the casinos that dumbo plays in


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Thanks. Will check out his thread. I PM’d him.

I am quoting two parts of your first post. The first one about studying, I think people here would agree that most of the things you listed are not studying. Watching vlogs, Neeme might give you 3 min out of 25 for strat. Watching the bike teaches you about pyromania, specifically lighting money on fire. Etc etc. This stuff is entertainment, not study. Finding a spot in a game you played where you were unsure, plugging ranges into Equilab or Flopzilla, and working with it for 15-30 minutes, that is studying. Compared to watching a video, it's a PITA. But as the say, if it was easy, everybody would be doing it. Some videos can qualify as studying, but not the ones you listed.

The second part is about bankroll management (BRM). It sounds like, at the moment, you don't have any. (Or maybe just very little.) If you spend the money you win from poker, especially if it is for living expenses, you will never build up an actual bankroll that will allow you to be comfortable moving up in stakes. You need to have a certain amount of money you are prepared to lose in order to survive and hopefully thrive at a higher stake. If you started with 20BI for 1/2, and your goal is to move up to 2/5 when you have 20BI for that, well every time you spend your poker winnings, you deplete your BR, and make it harder to achieve your goal.

And run like a god to start. That can't be overstated. :P

Thanks. I was waiting for someone to call me out on this.

I do use flopzilla for tough spots and off the table work but not as often as I should. I post lots of HH here though. I’ve stopped spending my winnings for the most part for the reason you stated. Thanks!

Yeah, I don't really understand how you can't build a bankroll considering you are a lawyer who is also making a lil money on the side playing poker and you don't have rent expense.

It sounds like you are immersing yourself in poker which is good but watching tournaments will do little to nothing for your live low stakes cash game.

Should be in better shape BR wise by year’s end. Started my job last November and it pays infrequently (by the case - cases take a long time to resolve). I watch splitsuit’s stuff too. He’s good.

Thanks. I think 21 or 22 yeah. This trip was like 15/hr over 550 hours. Definitely dragged the average down but it is what it is.

Going to grind in Vegas for a couple weeks in early November. Might stay longer if it goes well. Anyone interested in renting out a room for cheap or share Airbnb PM me. Trying to make the Vegas grind dream a reality this year!

Glgl! First time? If you're grinding 1/2 and 1/3 feel free to ask me questions. I've played probably over 1k hours in Vegas over the last two summers.

Thanks! First time as a poker player yes. Only other time I went I was a drunk fish.

Where’d you stay? Trying to reduce costs. I will not have a car. Right now choosing between Airbnb for $300 for two weeks or 2p2er who rents to a bunch of us for slightly more but I’ll be surrounded by Vegas grinders.

Can I short stack profitably?

Which casinos have the softest games? Time of day matter?

Anything else you care to share?

Thanks!

DT

This isn't the thread for that discussion, guys. Either take it to PM or to the LVL forum, please, and let's keep this thread on topic.

What's considered ss?
IME, and depending on what you consider short stacked, this may not be true. My local 2/5 games have a max BI of 200 BB. I have frequently bought in "short" for only 100 BB and my typical BI is 120-160 BB. I haven't seen a significant difference in win rate from 100 BB to 200 BB (although I'll admit I have a small sample size that gets smaller as my BIs get larger, 113 total sessions). But if you're talking about less than 100 BB that could be very true.

I have been meaning to ask this question myself. Clearly at some point buying short WILL effect your win rate. How short is too short? Is buying 100 BB in a 200 BB max game impacting my win rate more than I suspect? I mean I get that I'll make less in "play for stacks" hands but they are rare spots for me. And I can also lose more in those same spots.

I would consider a short stack less than 80bbs. I consider 100bbs to be an average size.


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Short stacked is anything less than 60bb imo.

Being able to play deep stacked is where a huge % of edge comes from. My three biggest winning sessions (which together account for ~18% of my lifetime winnings) came from being 300+bb deep with bad players and 'coolering' them - cooler in quotes cause it wouldn't have happened in reverse.

People are a lot better at 100bb poker than 300bb poker

FYP

Kinda the same thing but you get the idea. Being "better" kind of implies they are good in the first place.

I made 4€ in just under an hour playing in Europe for the first time yesterday.

Greek poker =/= American poker. We’re lucky here. If you’re interested in the details: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...64/index3.html.

Staying in 1/2 and studying is the safe, conventional answer.

Honestly, though, I'd move up with that bankroll. It will give you a major incentive to take the game much more seriously, and I would bet that your skill would accelerate at a much higher rate in such an environment. 1/2 is really conducive to picking up some bad habits that you're never really forced to outgrow.

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What do you guys think of this life time graph? Strictly a 1/2 and 1/3 player. I have played 611 hours life time.

Cashed 89/153 sessions

Winning $11.13/hr currently

Over my last 498 hours I am winning $16.11 an hour-that is since 7/7/17

Started out a losing player at first.

Overall thoughts and opinions on this?

Can't see the graph.

Respectable win rate. Better than vast majority of your player pool.

You really need a bigger sample, but so far off to a solid start.

Congrats

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Can anyone else not see the graph I just posted?