Oh man, it's way more complicated than that. Rules itt are too strict to say more. Anyway, Americans do have to account for this. In other professions, it's not as big of a deal--as long as you account for it and have insurance of course. American salaries are typically higher for equal positions elsewhere, but this doesn't translate to poker apart from American rake typically being lower than elsewhere.

I'm switching apps to Poker Income to get standard deviation (95% conf) and import / export ability as eventually all of these apps will probably phase out. My current app doesn't do graphs either which doesn't bother me as much but will be nice to have. Anyone have any strong opinions of better tracking apps before I manually start entering in hundreds and hundreds of sessions?

Also, is it even worth posting a 200 hr sample here or should I wait for 500 or 1000? I'm typically only 500 hours a year and this year may be low due to life stuffs...

Don't manually import results. Poker Income has an import function, you just need to find the columns it uses and then modify your results to that format so you can import it. Personally, i like Poker Income the best and I ve tried everything.

However, I think they may be giving the wrong std deviation results.

The Standard Dev calc being incorrect is concerning. Are you sure? Hopefully they can fix this. At any rate, I'm using Poker Mate and it has no export so I have no choice but to enter manually into Poker Income. I made sure to chose an app that has export for the future for this reason. Also, any missing stats I can export to excel and do myself.

I would guess ~500 hours per year is what a lot of us rec players are at (including me), so my suggestion would be to perhaps post yearly results (which a lot of us do) for lols and bargs and flaming.

Ggoodluck!G

It's always fine to see 200 hr samples or so, for discussion and documentation and whatnot.

I can say that as a relatively regular "rec" player that hits a game or two every week, sometimes more, sometimes skips, and sometimes a poker weekend somewhere ... 500-600 hours a year is pretty standard. My highest since 2008 was 708 hours in a year, lowest was 402 (when finishing a PhD). 354 so far this year so still on pace.

Moving to LA for work but going to start taking poker a bit more seriously too. One thing this means is actually keeping a no BS fully accurate journal.

What app is best for Android these days? Poker Income seems to have a lot of bad reviews recently and it appears the developers have abandoned it?

Last update was 4 months ago and version history goes 5 years back, where did you read it was abandoned?

Customer service for poker income is non existant...avoid.

I personally switched to poker agent from income...much better experience.

Thanks for the feedback but I assume that's Andriod only as a search in the app store comes up blank.

Must've been a change some time along the line. I do remember Poker Agent used to be available for android, but that was years ago.

That wasn't super clear, I meant agent must only be Andriod as I couldn't find it on iOS.

Maybe it's not public anymore idk. I don't see it either for android.

What customer service do you need? It's a simple, yet complete live poker tracking app. Only potential problem is if it becomes incompatible with some future ios version. I do think when that came up however, they fixed it.

I was thinking the same. With 4 years of the old app I never needed customer service. Just wanted standard deviation and export features. Graphs are a bonus.

previous iOS updates have broken it and it took the dev much longer than reasonable to fix it. i also don’t know if it’s been updated for iPhone X screen and if not, that will just get worse if and when new iPhones with a different screen size come out. not to mention all the simple features/tweaks it *could* have with caring devs.

that being said, the only alternative is a subscription model like Poker Analytics because apps don’t sell for enough money to indefinitely support them.

sorry for the OT Garick

Kato, I use Poker Bankroll Tracker. The user interface looks good, it offers cloud backup, and the support was good when I was trying to import data from other sources. They're in Europe but they responded to me within 24 hours.

The data filtering is not very intuitive which is a pain IMO. I've managed to stumble through it but there are some reports I can't seem to figure out. Also, it does not offer StDev calculations but IDGAF about it so YMMV.

I'll allow it. Tracking software is directly related to Finances, imo

Thanks for the feedback. I'm considering using Poker Income, Poker Bankroll Tracker, and Poker Ledger all at the same time for a month or so then decide which one to stick with long term.

Ive never tried those but RunGood works really well.

Thanks for the suggestion but looks like that one is iOS only

Jfc, please don't enter all your data manually through the app.

Enter 1 data point, export it to excel, then enter all your data into excel in the format they want using a keyboard and keeping your sanity, then import it back to the app.

For the record, Ive used RunGood for 3 years and I'm happy with it

Poker Bankroll Tracker does have a variance tab in the pro version that has a BB/100 SD calculation, a 5% risk of ruin calculation, couple other minor things, and a graph. It's pretty basic and not well documented though.

Like I'm not even sure what the graph shows. Theres a green line, a blue line, and a red line. They plot winnings over projected 10k hands. From context I think the blue line is based on your results, the green line is a projection of your best case scenario for the next 10k hands, and the red line is a projection of your worst case scenario for next 10k hands. Really though there is no "best case" or "worst case" so I don't know what these numbers mean. Theoretically we could run God mode for 10k hands or we could go on a 10k hand downswing. My guess is the best and worst cases are for some number of standard deviations but I'm not sure how many.

Maybe I'll ask the developers. They were quick in responding to my last request which was to add in a Mississippi Straddle option in the "player notes and stats" section. I got a response within a day saying they would work on implementing that.

I think the notes and stats could be extremely useful as it calculates all the stuff online HUDs do. Of course you have to be constantly entering the action of each hand (just check/bet/raise/fold) but it's really not that hard. Only reason I haven't used it much is because you can't track hands with a straddle unless it's UTG and where I play theres a lot more button and cutoff straddling. Some games nearly every hand is straddled.

Overall I think it's a great app and worth the 10 dollars a year or whatever it is.

is Filavision the correct dev for this? just making sure iOS version isn’t clickbait.

screenshots look a lot better than PokerIncome, that’s for sure

Just based on the fact that the Poker Bankroll Tracker devs are helpful and responsive makes me want to support them. As a developer myself I have no problem paying for a good app, especially a good Android app.

There are far too few good Android apps because in general Android users don't pay for appsz which obviously makes it an unprofitable venture to develop for Android.