Another thing to remember is small wins are very important.

I've told this little anecdote a few times in here but my biggest winning month ever was mostly made up of 30-70bb wins.

I used to think locking up small wins was a leak but all other things considered, if you're up a few hundred bucks you have crushed your session. The end.

Small wins are not very important. It literally makes no difference whether you lock up a small win, small loss, or big win or big loss. There are several criteria for when to end a session for serious players/pros and none of them are "to book a win".

This is my lifetime graph. Includes my early years as a mostly 10-20LHE rec player up to my now mostly 1-3NLHE rec player. I also included my by game breakdown. Graph includes a losing year (2016).

Nice.

Nice giraffe. Should probably just play whatever you were playing between 1000 - 1400 hours?

Gcongrats,imoG

So you play at the Bike? I tried to calculate the hourly charge there and it comes out to ~$19/hr. Unbeatable in the long term for anything significant. You're probably maxing out right now. The 5/5 and 5/10 games in LA drop the same amount you're paying in the 2/3.

Yeah the rake is ridiculous. I feel as if I'm posting these kind of numbers though through 200 hours that I am nowhere near close to moving up to the 5/5. Plus I wouldn't be properly bankrolled. Is this $7 rake really impossible to make a decent profit out of?

Alot of people would hump a man's leg to have $7 rake. Its not that bad.

$7 isn't bad. However, I believe it's $6 just to see a flop and that would be absolutely dreadful. Correct me if I'm wrong though.


edit: researched this a bit and it appears that in 2011 rake at the Bike was $1 preflop and a total of $5 to see a flop, so I'm guessing today it's $1 preflop and another $5 on the flop.

It's not really so much "locking up a win" or anything that matters here. It's that short sessions can have much larger winrates than we initially think of even though "nothing happened". If you play 3 hours of $1/2, never get into a >$150 pot and walk away +$60 ... you just booked a $20/hr 10bb/hr win. Nothing bad about that at all, even though it doesn't *feel* like a big win.


Nice. Always like seeing big samples.

Yeah, Los Angeles works on a flat drop, not rake, as every other place I've seen in California. The Bike drops $1 pre, both when hands are folded preflop to a raise, or when players chop. If it's a chop, small blind forfeits the dollar. Commerce takes $2. If the pot is won on the flop or turn, an additional $5 is taken, with a final $1 getting tacked on if there's a river. Hawaiian gardens takes that extra buck OTT.

It amounts to paying 10% rake capped at ~$60 no matter what the pot size. I think it's only worth playing this game when eff stacks are over $500. Too often, you find yourself at a table with people min-buying for $100 though. I guess if you sit in good games, you can crank out $10/hr+, but I don't see anyone humping legs for this charge when you can play 1/2 and 1/3 in Nevada for much cheaper.

Can confirm, 10% capped at 15 down here.

Wish I recorded stats of my play this year, would like to contribute to this thread. Maybe next year.

Heh $1+5 to see a flop is purty bad. Still our max rake (also $7) is almost always hit in any decent game even by the flop. This is because 6x opens are going 3-5 ways every hand.

At least the rake is capped is what I'm getting at. Could be worse.

If everyone is sitting on $1K+ stacks and they can go in in lol fashion, then a maximum rake of $7 probably ain't no big deal.

If a lotta people are sitting on $200 - $300 stacks and even the bigger end of those might not go in so lol, a $7 maximum rake is pretty horrendous, imo.

GcluelessrakenoobG

Hey guys. Been away from poker for several years. What would be good/very good/crushing winrates for 25, 50, 100nl 6max nowadays at say pokerstars?

Hey guys. My first post other than venues.

To put my numbers in perspective I only play weekends and holidays.
I search out the most profitable tables and change up my style of play based on table dynamics. The games I've mostly played is 1-2 with 500 max buy in mixed with some 1-3 and some 1-2 with a 5$ call option (no 2$ limp)

The casino's I frequent used to be 5% to 5% with a 1$ BB JP but has recently went up to 10% to 7$ although 1 casino has stay at 5$ but is the new 10%

Also weekend stacks range from 100-1000$ depending on the table.
Table average is usually around 300-400$

I 2017 I have 462 hrs played at 66.55 $/Hr

I still have some leaks in my game and still like to gaboo in spots!

I really hope my stats are sustainable but I suspect I could on a year long heater. I never kept track before this year and know for a fact I was a loser at poker the first few years I played. I suspected I was close to break even for a few more years.

I spend the week working full time and studying. I don't have many people to talk serious poker with as most people in my area don't even know what a SPR or how many BB they call when I raise.

I drink whisky sometimes when I play and I am loud at times and don't feel the need to bluff often although I do pick my spots. Sometimes, I'm quiet when I play and drink coffee, really depends on what the tables "requires".

This past year I've really made a honest effort to become the best player I can.

Thoughts?

This may be controversial, but assuming game conditions don't drastically change I think it's quite possible you can maintain a very high winrate with the schedule you play.

Can you win 20bb/hr? Probably not, but it's my belief the best low stakes players can win +15bb/hour during peak hours.

It's purely anecdotal but I win about twice as much during these times as non-peak hours over a decent 2400hr sample at my local room.

If you start putting in more weekday/ weeknight hours expect to see your winrate drop.

This is a live forum, Str8rep. Try the Micro-Small Stakes Online forum.

Thanks. And sorry, found this thread using search

No worries. Good to see someone actually trying a search instead of just starting a new thread.

Welcome back.

+1

I know lots of people here (even the good serious rec players) play mostly evenings and weekends because they have real jobs. Comparing their win rates to a full time player who puts in a lot of 9-5 weekday type hours is apples/oranges. The win rates during normal business hours is significantly lower. Weeknights/weekends can be double the win rates of weekday daytime hours.

Of course my selection of times to play is reflected in my hourly rate.
I could if I wanted to play the 7-12am times during the week but the profitability is not worth the time to me.

I was more wanting to know if my hourly rate was comparable to others given the circumstances.

I really have no one I know to compare these numbers with locally.

I'm guessing this is pretty room dependent, but it certainly doesn't apply to my room (all regs, all the the time, virtually no randoms-out-on-a-Saturday-night, etc.).

Goverratedconcept,imoG

In that case, I would say that your win rate is pretty much astronomical and unsustainable. This is just my opinion based on my experience and my results, but I think for a top 1-2% player you could hit $45/hr long term if the conditions are really good.....meaning a 1/2 game during peak hours and days and deepish stacks.

True, but I think your room is the exception, not the rule. Most rooms have a completely different clientele that come in and play after work during the week and weekends than they guys who play during the daytime.