I think around $7500... it's by no means the biggest at Winstar as people back before Black Friday were able to build much bigger stacks since the games were a lot softer before all the internet players like me started coming to the casino.

I don't have a style, but play based on observation of the table and players. If the table is loose, I tighten up and vice versa. If a player is on tilt, I try to get into more pots with them. If a player is tight, I barrel and bluff more. If a player is loose, I trap more.

I'm rarely on my phone or watching media (I sometimes read at the table), because I'm always trying to observe the table and how people are playing for the session and play off of them.

Most of my 5/10 are underground games on weeknights. I play 2/5 at Winstar mainly on the weekends now and plan to play a 20hrs+ session each time, so I hate to have to leave a 5/10 and go to 2/5 and have to reset my game/mind if the game breaks, plus 2/5 is less intensive, therefore allowing me to put in more hours. Plus I have to play tighter at 5/10 to account for the more regs and the 3betting, which makes the game less fun.

My 2/5 results should be much better (I think in the $50-55/hr) if I kept my sessions shorter to about 6-8hrs, but I'm willing to sacrifice some winrate and make it up in volume. I think it's still a net gain factoring less driving time, expenses, etc.

Thanks. This year and maybe next year is probably the only time I'll dedicate this much time to poker moving forward. I still rather do business.

For example, I'm starting a blog right now (www.invariance.poker) and hopefully turn it into some brand for mental game/life poker or a mental disease research business as I'm a firm believer that poker can solve a lot of mental disabilities/disease.

I see you're still trying to validate the limp call strategy as the potential Holy Grail of crushing low stakes poker.

Ha, not exactly. I just wanted to lay out two extremes and see which side he leaned to. Most on this forum, and most of the strong winning players Ive seen, lean to more aggression.

Rarely is limp/calling an optimal strategy unless you have specific reasons and reads, such as you expect an aggressive player behind you to 3bet and you do not want to play a bloated pot with a marginal hand that you want to see a flop with, or you want to disguise and trap with a strong hand.

Other than that, the saying still holds: "To the aggressor goes the pot"

Dont take this as me dissing you, because your results are phenomenal and you are obviously very very good. However, Ive played poker all over the country and Winstar is IMO the softest room in the Country. I lived in Dallas for most of my life and have extensive playing time at Winstar.

Again, excellent results no matter how soft the room is. Whats the most amazing is the amount of hours you put in. Sheesh!

When was it that you played a significant number of hours at Winstar?

where's your pcg update?

I moved away from Dallas in mid 2015. I lived there most of my adult life and played there a lot from the time it opened. When I say I played "a lot" it was nothing like the number of hours I play now because I was working full time. IMO I'm light years better than I was back then since I play so much now and I still had a win rate of about around $35/hr at 2/5 at Winstar. There were no poker apps back then (at least I didnt know about any) so my records are not detailed. I just kept track of my hours and total amount won in the notes on my phone. I'm going off of memory but i know I was mid $30s

I was in Dallas a couple months ago and played 2/5 at Winstar and was shocked at how soft it was compared to my main room here in S. Florida. Maybe it was just my table, but the I felt like it was 2006 again.

I kind of lost interest in updating it as I was on vacation for 2 1/2 weeks. My wife and I went on a road trip of the New England area and up into Canada. The trip had been planned for months, but we were lucky enough to be in Montreal when the hurricane hit.

I did play at 4 different rooms along the way so I guess Ill do an update to it soon.

Retiring as soon as I feel I have enough bankroll to play 1/3nl 500 buy in without any risk of ruin. Lets say i'm winning ~$20/hr and capable of playing 2000-3000 hrs a yr after putting work to the side. How much of a bankroll do I need? Whatever number I come up with, everything in profit over that number will go to living expenses and 2/5 shots...

Good luck playing 3000 hours of 1/3 and not wanting to kill yourself

It wont be much 1/3. just always want to be able to fall back to 1/3. A lot of hrs wont ever be a problem.

I get in about 500 hours a year pretty consistently as a regular degen at $1/2 and $1/3 and now an annoyingly common ($1/2 NLHE )to ($1/2 NLHE + $1/2 w/ $5 bring in RxR) to ($1/2/5bring PLO) game (which I hate). If I tried to play 3000 hours in a year I'd definitely want to kill myself, or I'd die of second hand smoke + ****ty casino coffee.

You should be using your own data to answer these questions. How many hours of personal history do you have? What is your bb per hour? Standard deviation? Longest break even stretch? Biggest down swing?

It is not a good idea to use anyone else's data and experiences to answer these questions for yourself. Use your own data and play around with a risk of ruin calculator.

But since you asked, I'll give my 2 cents..

I recently posted just shy of 2,500 hours mixed between 1/2 and 1/3 from playing as a serious weekend rec with great daytime career. Over that time I've had I think $2k downswings about 4 times and break even stretches of 100 hours more often than I'd like. Overall solid winning numbers though.

Based on that, I'd go with $20k bankroll plus at least 6 months of living expenses.

Live low stakes is awesome as easy second income. Think it would suck if it was my only source of revenue.

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I do all of that and have my own number in my head which caught a lot of heat and debate from friends i respect in poker. 2k downswing is only 4 buy ins in my game. Not bad, i'd bet my std dev is a lil higher then yours. Also how accurate can std dev be if we arent tracking our results each hour? What is your std dev and how is it tracked? I'd guess an app.

The 1/3 game i play in is $500 cap. I always but on for max and top off during sessions every time I'm at $475 or less. Don't think I've ever had a $3k down swing.

If you read far enough back in this thread toy will see formula for calculating std, not as arcuate as recording stats every hour but it is close enough for this.

Since you've got your own number in your head, how does it compare with my unscientific seat of my pants opinion? I'm genuinely curious as part time poker will be retirement bonus money for me as well in the not too too distant future.

And what does your key data look like?

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Frankly, the std dev stuff is all bull****, imho, pretty much because it is assuming your game conditions are going to stay constant thru out (which they are very unlikely to). This is simply based on my own experience based on my results only, but after booking a very respectable winrate of x over my first 2000 hours I'm now ~400 hours from 4000 hours where I'll likely book a winrate of < x/2 over the second stint of 2000 hours. Course, this will be over ~8 years, but the point remains.

Bottom line: game conditions change. Expecting past results to be a somewhat reliable indicator (i.e. within a standard deviation) of what future results will be is kinda meh.

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this **** getting harder all the time guys, why you want to play cards with bunch of old men and only make $20 a hour? jeez set the sights a little higher at least

Hey! What if you are a retired old man?

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Variance/Std dev is very good to know/understand IMO... For me, it mostly helps me remember that if I've had a particularly good or bad 20-40 hours, even 100-150 hour run, that it's kinda meaningless. There are a couple friends and family members that I share my results with when they ask, but they are usually so fixated on the last 1 or 2 sessions or whatever... Like, "oh you made $250/hour! That's awesome." Ummm no, that's not how this works. Then I have to explain variance to them -- and I can even assert things like hey I could play thirty 5-hour sessions and have about this probability of being down money based on my results.

Some great intel guys. I'll ans questions later. As for this if you read my post the point if me having a number is so anything over that i'm playing higher. so if my number is say 50k. if i have 53k ill play 10/10 with 3k. So i'm never giving back to my 1/3 roll minus when there are no higher or better games running.