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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

07-07-2017 , 05:22 PM
Thanks for posting Duke, and congrats on the awesome results. That 3000 hr - 4000 hr no blips upward climb is impressive!

Do you have a break down of 1/3 vs 2/5 vs 5/T?

GthanksforpostingG
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07-07-2017 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
That volume...



Did you mix in some 2/5? Cause it should be 13 bb/hr.

Just two or three quick 5/5 sessions.
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07-07-2017 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
heres mine its almost 5k hours

its a mix of 1/3, 2/5, 5/10 - mostly 2/5



my observation would be that it is can be challenging to maintain 10bb/hr for most people over thousands of hours. a lot of people i see have tons of bad habits including major tilt. but i think if you can manage to play smart 100% of the time its definitely attainable.

i had kind of a bad 600-1k hour stretch recently, at the 4k hour point i was at 11.5 bb/hr. this thread has a lot of fellows who post like 700 hour samples and its not very meaningful. but what can any of us say? when i played my first 700 hours i had many inaccurate assumptions about variance and sample size too.
Sick results and pretty incredible that you didn't have a meaningful break even stretch until well over 4000 hours of live play.
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07-07-2017 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
I don't think a lot of successful pros have that mindset. I think they key is having a balanced life. If poker is the only thing going on in your life, then obviously running bad is gonna feel bad.
Can confirm, running bad feels like **** bcuz I have no life
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07-07-2017 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by YGOchamp
Can confirm, running bad feels like **** bcuz I have no life
During my poker career I gained hobbies such as exercise, cooking, smoking weed, Netflix

I also got a wife to be and a doggie that take up a huge chunk of my time

Running poorly at poker still feels really ****ty. I don't think that will go away until you're playing in a game you're way over-rolled for
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07-07-2017 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Thanks for posting Duke, and congrats on the awesome results. That 3000 hr - 4000 hr no blips upward climb is impressive!

Do you have a break down of 1/3 vs 2/5 vs 5/T?

GthanksforpostingG
yea, too lazy to put them all in graph form but it breaks down like this rougly

2-5: +205k in 4k hours
5-10: even in 300 hours, includes plo
1-3: +22k in 700 hours

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Sick results and pretty incredible that you didn't have a meaningful break even stretch until well over 4000 hours of live play.
ive had 1 20 bi downswing at 1/3 like 300 hours into this sample

then 1 year later i had a stretch of ~600 hours where i won ~$9/hr

2 years after that i did a similar 600 hour stretch
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07-07-2017 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
During my poker career I gained hobbies such as exercise, cooking, smoking weed, Netflix

I also got a wife to be and a doggie that take up a huge chunk of my time

Running poorly at poker still feels really ****ty. I don't think that will go away until you're playing in a game you're way over-rolled for
I am a rec player with a 6 figure engineering job and a wife who makes almost the same, and it still feels bad to run ****ty even at 1/2.

If you are a competitive person, losing will always suck, even if you know you had little control over it.
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07-07-2017 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
During my poker career I gained hobbies such as exercise, cooking, smoking weed, Netflix

I also got a wife to be and a doggie that take up a huge chunk of my time

Running poorly at poker still feels really ****ty. I don't think that will go away until you're playing in a game you're way over-rolled for
I can confirm that being severely over rolled doesnt help reduce the ****ty feeling. At least not if you hate losing as much as I do.
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07-07-2017 , 11:01 PM
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Absolutely insane +50k run at 1600-1900, what was your win rate during that time?
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07-08-2017 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I can confirm that being severely over rolled doesnt help reduce the ****ty feeling. At least not if you hate losing as much as I do.
Well that sucks

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Absolutely insane +50k run at 1600-1900, what was your win rate during that time?
Like 150 or so
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07-08-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
That being said - doing it as a part time money making hobby is fukken A ossum
darn straight.

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June 2017 1/3 results:
Sick volume

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Originally Posted by Duke0424
heres mine its almost 5k hours

its a mix of 1/3, 2/5, 5/10 - mostly 2/5
Sick everything

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Originally Posted by Duke0424
Running poorly at poker still feels really ****ty. I don't think that will go away until you're playing in a game you're way over-rolled for
Why I enjoy playing 1/2 It's like being invincible.
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07-08-2017 , 11:19 AM
Duke - nice work ethic. Great volume with great win rate!! Much respekt sir.

as some one who is insanely overrolled for my game I promise u that actually as you get older running shtty actually feels worse.
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07-08-2017 , 11:50 AM
I get more tilted if I lose at $2/5 instead of $5/10 or $10/20 even if it's for way less money. The feeling of "these people play so terribly and I can't beat them" bothers me more than it should.


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07-08-2017 , 12:12 PM
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I get more tilted if I lose at $2/5 instead of $5/10 or $10/20 even if it's for way less money. The feeling of "these people play so terribly and I can't beat them" bothers me more than it should.


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07-08-2017 , 03:58 PM
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I get more tilted if I lose at $2/5 instead of $5/10 or $10/20 even if it's for way less money. The feeling of "these people play so terribly and I can't beat them" bothers me more than it should.
That's entitlement tilt. If that's the biggest thing that tilts you, getting rid of it will get rid of most of your tilt.
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07-08-2017 , 04:28 PM
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That's entitlement tilt. If that's the biggest thing that tilts you, getting rid of it will get rid of most of your tilt.
lol deep insight there. "If X is the biggest problem you have, getting rid of it will get rid of most of your problems"
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07-08-2017 , 06:33 PM
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lol deep insight there. "If X is the biggest problem you have, getting rid of it will get rid of most of your problems"
Many people, myself included, have trouble seeing the obvious solution.
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07-08-2017 , 07:50 PM
I understand. I'm being facetious and don't disagree with your assessment
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07-08-2017 , 10:34 PM
That was the most civil ending to a petty statement lmao
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07-08-2017 , 11:22 PM
Happy to report that my 16 month stint playing professionally will be winding down. After a seemingly never ending 6 month interview process for a commercial real estate brokerage position I was just notified I will be hired.

It was an enjoyable if not mediocre run and I can't say I recommend it for anyone in a similar position (have a bachelors a masters degree; left a very well paying job), but it got me to where I want to be and likely played a small part in the interview process.

Now I can return to the realm of being a rec-fish.
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07-09-2017 , 12:10 AM
Congratulations
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07-09-2017 , 10:13 AM
I just hit 1000 hours since that time I quit poker for a few months after I got really mad about losing at poker because I was bad at poker. So why not post some graphs and numbers from a weekend warrior.



From 2nd half of 2015 on (after moving from Venue #1 to Venue #2) I've only been playing weekends, usually one session of 6 ish hours every weekend. Lately it's been more. Before it was often less.







Note, venue/stake splits don't quite add up to the total, there's one session of plo and a few random other casinos with 1 or 2 sessions that I omitted

Not quite a boss like many people here and I do feel that over those 1000 hours I've run above average (Even coming off a breakeven 200 hours)

But I've been at the point for a while where I don't need to stress about poker because it's just a nice easy fun side income. For money that improves my quality of life and also that I can afford to lose. Don't have a desire to move up and be a holla balla, things are good enough already.

Like Squid said and like johnny knows, stable income + working life + poker hobby is the nuts. Even if I could maintain this hourly playing full time I wouldn't want to.
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07-09-2017 , 10:20 AM
Although its not a ton of hours, I find it interesting that your $$/hr at 1/2 & 1/3 is almost exactly the same as your $$/hr at 2/5 even though 2/5 is 250% higher stakes.

I say that because mine is very very close also. I think people greatly underestimate the skill difference between the 2 levels. IMO its a huge jump in quality of play. I mean 2/5 is scattered with people who aren't great but a good 2/5 player playing 1/2 is like Tom Brady playing against high schoolers.
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07-09-2017 , 10:31 AM
The big difference is that at the venue most of my 1/2 hours are from, there were multiple 1/2 tables and usually just one 2/5 table (which was populated with regs, some of whom were better players!) And sometimes I'd even choose a 1/2 table over the 2/5. I didn't table select ultra vigilantly (don't be the doofus who blatantly bumhunts one player and hops multiple times a session.) I'd just try to go to whatever table had a lot of chips on it and it was usually a good decision. So it's basically the best table out of 4-8 tables, versus one random table.
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07-09-2017 , 12:09 PM
DK, had no idea fallsview was one of your rooms. I was there on holiday recently, really neat place.

One of the bigger things that goes overlooked is the stack depth between 1/2 and 2/5. I think it's pretty clear that a 9 handed 1/2 with $500 average stack is a better game than a 9 handed 2/5 with $500 average stack.

What I'm getting at is that I've often been in good 1/2 games where the smallest effective stacks are 300bb. I don't think I've ever been in that situation in 2/5 or only a handful of times.

You have much greater implied odds and usually people are still limping or raising lol $12 which is just incredible when you are 300bb deep.

Just last night I was on a decent 2/5 and on a super heater (brag) and took a break and saw a 1/2 with 3 $800 stacks and the rest $300-$600. I tanked for 10 minutes on whether I should table change.
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