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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

06-21-2017 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Chumbardo
what room do you play in?
The Isle at Pompano Park
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06-21-2017 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
The level of play from 1/2 to 2/5 in my room is massively different. So massive it boggles my mind. YMMV.


i'm pretty sure you can play that 1/2 blind and win decently with enough aggression
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06-21-2017 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
i'm pretty sure you can play that 1/2 blind and win decently with enough aggression
I wouldnt doubt it. Ive said before that IMO the 2/5 at the Isle are the toughest 2/5 games Ive ever played in...and Ive played all over the country. The 1/2 is a joke. So you can imagine the difference between the two of them. If other rooms' 2/5 games arent as tough as mine, then obviously there wont be as much of skill difference than what I see between 1/2 and 2/5.
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06-21-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
This is great +1

Went "pro" March 2016, doom switch hit, got a lesson in humility and the reality of poker math and variance etc. Been grinding out productive months since then but nowhere near my previous win rates (36/hr @ 1/2, 45/hr @ 1/3, 68/hr @ 2/5, 125/hr @ 5/10).

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Can you provide the hour samples for each stake? Just curious.

Have you had a losing month since pro?
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06-21-2017 , 11:11 AM
I think your WR on the next level depends on your experience and play. If you only have played 300-500-1000 hours of 1/2 and your major talent is just to play snug, set mine and value bet, then you are going to need to iron some things at 2/5 and your WR isn't going to be as good.

If OTOH, you have experience from online, then it's mostly a question of bankroll and not skill, in which case, you shouldn't expect a major difference.

Regardless, one thing I think happens with everyone, no matter how good they are is that they need around 300-400 hours in order to get a good sense of the pool's tendencies and ranges. Like in the beginning, you re going to be very conscious and uncertain about certain spots. Only with experience and a good deal of play, you are going to have a more natural feel about those spots.
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06-21-2017 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
280 hours is nothing. NOTHING.
+1, /question

OP, see my recent posts, but my last 1450 hours I've run at < 50% of my first 2000 hours. In the same room, at the same 1/3 NL game ("same" is very questionable tho). 280 hours? I would go so far as to say the results over 280 are completely meaningless.

Also, as with all questions regarding stakes, it all depends. Maybe you play in a room where there are a bunch of tables at each stake, and in that case, there might very well be quite a difference in stakes. My room runs 1/3 NL. That's it. That's the only game/stake that runs. So noob-first-timer-sitting-at-a-poker-table is going to be sitting beside the guy who is attempting to do this as his job (I'd guess there are upwards of 2 guys per table attempting to do this as their living, not including retired guys attempting to pad their income). And it also follows up with what someone else said recently in this thread, in that you can't just state the stakes and magically come up with a WR; it totally depends on the conditions. It depends. One thing you can take to the bank though: basing any predictions/conclusions based on 280 hours is pointless.

GgoodluckG
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06-21-2017 , 12:01 PM
Damn, my PokerJournal just woke up with a "Fatal Database Error", hurray. Good thing I'm still tracking all my results in Excel. Think I recently did a backup of PokerJournal so hopefully something I can import into another app.

I don't think (???) PokerJournal is being updated anymore. Anyone have recommendations for a decent cheap app?

Gcluelessappnoob,mightjustcontinuewithExcelG
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06-21-2017 , 01:12 PM
Excel all the way gg

FWIW I come off pretty negative in my last post and to be clear the pg&c forum is my 2nd favorite forum. I have tons of respect for the few that continuously update and share their journey with us and I know it's got to be a LOT of work to keep up a blog like that. (Johnnybuzz I have the same thoughts as you... I'd like one but don't know that Id keep up plus fear of doomswitch)

That said, there's no better indicator of live poker win rates than looking at the failure rate of pg&cs.
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06-21-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Excel all the way gg
I'm so noobish at Excel and don't have the energy to do anything other than computing the winrate. Kinda liked the PokerJournal app to be able to filter hour / year stretches easily and have the giraffes.

Ha, also just realized I probably have notes on like 300-400 players in it. Would be super annoying to lose all that.

GsighG
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06-21-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
I'm at $26/hr with about just under 280 hours mixing 1/2 and 1/3. Obviously sample size is nothing and I'm probably running above EV. But I don't think I've gotten absurdly lucky. I think 10bb/hr is perfectly achievable with some work at 1/2 and 1/3. 2/5 not so sure that's why I was asking you guys. I'm curious what you guys think the drop in bb/hr will be moving up.
Depends on where you play. In the room where I used to live it was easier to have a higher bb/hr at 2/5 than it was at 1/2 imo simply because all the action players played 2/5 and the 1/2 game was mostly filled with nits, and most of the full time pros in the city played mostly private games and PLO. Where I live now 1/3 is insanely soft and the 2/5 lineup is almost always filled with grinders and is barely worth playing if there's not 1-2 mega fish.
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06-21-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Excel all the way gg

FWIW I come off pretty negative in my last post and to be clear the pg&c forum is my 2nd favorite forum. I have tons of respect for the few that continuously update and share their journey with us and I know it's got to be a LOT of work to keep up a blog like that. (Johnnybuzz I have the same thoughts as you... I'd like one but don't know that Id keep up plus fear of doomswitch)

That said, there's no better indicator of live poker win rates than looking at the failure rate of pg&cs.
What's pg&c?
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06-21-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
What's pg&c?
Threads in Poker Goals & Challenges.

GcluelessabbrevnoobG
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06-21-2017 , 02:50 PM
The Poker, Goals, and Challenges subforum.
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06-21-2017 , 04:18 PM
I know the 280 hour sample is nothing. But I'm just hoping my bb/hr won't drop as much. So in a week or two when I'm ready I'll shot take on weekends and if I run good I might stay there weekdays too. I noticed my std dev per day is only about $420. Averaging 7.5 hours per day played, that's about a std dev of just over $150/hr which seems pretty small. I guess that's indicative of being overly nitty and perhaps missing spots where I can be more LAG? Surely the std dev doesn't taken thousands of hours to converge.
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06-21-2017 , 04:50 PM
When I lost all my poker journal stats during an iOS update a couple years ago I went with RunGood and have been pleased with it ever since.
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06-21-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
I know the 280 hour sample is nothing. But I'm just hoping my bb/hr won't drop as much. Surely the std dev doesn't taken thousands of hours to converge.
The more hours you put in over the the more years you play you'll realize how little any of these resulting stats matter (especially as conditions change). My stats at 1/3 over 3400+ hours state I'm a $22.11/hr winner, and yet I think in my current game conditions that result would be extremely difficult to achieve over the long term moving forward (and I certainly don't expect to win at anything remotely close to that rate unless conditions change drastically).

This "I've done x at y, therefore what should I expect at z" is unlikely to be answered to any satisfaction.

GgoodluckG
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06-21-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Malucci
When I lost all my poker journal stats during an iOS update a couple years ago I went with RunGood and have been pleased with it ever since.
Thx. I'll have to look a bit more into whether I can salvage my PokerJournal and if its done then make a decision whether it's worth trying to import all my previous stats into another app.

GR.I.P.giraffes,longlivegiraffesG
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06-21-2017 , 04:56 PM
I'm finding that not playing at all is a quick way to break even over a long sample of time.
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06-21-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
I'm finding that not playing at all is a quick way to break even over a long sample of time.
The mc bbj would be a mighty fine add to your wr imo.
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06-21-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
I'm finding that not playing at all is a quick way to break even over a long sample of time.
Truueee

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06-21-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
I'm finding that not playing at all is a quick way to break even over a long sample of time.
You're probably just running good.

GlolzG
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06-22-2017 , 07:45 AM
this is 1656 hours over the past 4 years after consolidating results, lol.

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06-22-2017 , 11:41 AM
Ha, I'm guessing you didn't play much until the giraffe spiked up?

And is that a $6K downwsing at the peak? Yikes (if low stakes)!

Gbutwinning,congrats!G
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06-22-2017 , 12:07 PM
Looks like it.

While it doesn't change your actual "winrate" in $/hr, it's interesting to plot your results by calendar time as well as by hours played. You can sometimes see where you burn out from playing too many hours in short periods (leading to fatigue and mistakes).
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