Strong. Very strong!

Realistically we bet for 3 reasons:

for value,
as a bluff,
to protect our equity

That's it. Unless anyone can come up with something else...

^ "to see where we are at." Ldo

Lullz...i suppose it's all just semantics but "betting to protect our equity" is just value betting no?

There are spots where we should bet the river OOP with what is usually the best hand despite having <50% equity when called in order to prevent a profitable betting opportunity for the opponent. It's not really a bluff because we have the best hand most of the time. It's not really value because we lose money by strengthening the opponent's range and inflating the pot relative to taking an immediate showdown (but this is not possible OOP) Maybe you could say we are protecting our showdown equity.

More recently I've adopted the more fundamental view that We bet for 2 reasons. To deny equity to our opponent and to make the pot bigger in case we win. Many good bets will frequently accomplish both of these objectives to varying degrees.

Janda put it this way about a year ago in his applications thread and I really liked it. While it may be semantics it is a far less compartmentalized way of looking at it. His new book uses this approach exclusively to determine when to bet and to evaluate sizing.


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I also bet

Bc I'm drunk
Bc **** that guy


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Or, more simply put don't we ONLY bet for value? Bluffing and protecting equity are just variants of that, are they not?

OK, I'll be less subtle about it than IRTM was. Next* post ITT that is about strategy of individual hands/bets will eat an infraction and a temp-ban from this thread.

This thread is for WR, BR and Finances only. It is not a general strat thread. Feel free to start a "Why to bet" thread in this forum, or bump an old one, but this thread isn't it.

*assuming that it's long enough that you should have read this warning and not so long that I legitimately thik you might have forgotten about this warning.

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Hi guys, long time lurker.

First 1k hours of the pokers.

480 hours of 2/5 (99% of my volume in 2017 has been here)
440 hours of 1/2
25 hours 1/3
roughly 100 hours spread across 1/1 homegames & mixed games.

Funny how the pokers work....I felt I was playing atleast decent-good during my "downswings" but had to climb out and have been running MUCH better.

hopefully i get some giraffe rungood continuing. Keep it up all!

If you think I am clicking a link with the first 3 letters prn you are outcho head boy. Try tiny pic url imo

Good call....seems sketchy

You can do miracles when you move to a level where they respect your raises.

Lightbulb moment at ~750 hour mark?

ETA: And I'm misreading things, or did you just recently ship a ~$5K session for like ~1/3rd your total profits?

Gcaretosharethesecret?G

In b4 strat infraction.

No lightbulb moment...seems like the doomswitch turned off though. Was very close to quitting as the enormous amount of study I had put in (well over 1k study hours) in the first 750 hours was clearly not paying off....(or so I thought)

No you are reading correctly - It was my best session to date a few weeks ago...+4.2k in 9 hours at 2/5. (500 max)

As I'm sure you're well aware....the secret was

You don't want them to respect your raises. But they sure as hell better respect your mustache (rides). (Love that avatar.)

If the second half of that graph mostly corresponds to the $2/5, while the first half is $1/2 ... you may actually have just been suffering from a variant of FPS. Trying to make $1/2 players fold and/or overthinking spots that you shouldn't have. Then when moving to $2/5 the players have more tendency to fold, or some other game condition is different.

Is all that $2/5 in 2017? 500 hours is impressive in half a year. (At least as a rec player.)

I've had discussions with a few poker friends about the differences between our local Charity games (which can be really wild) and the casino games downtown (which can be more rock filled). They're both $1/2 games, and they're both pretty easy to beat, but they require very different adjustments and exploits. It's funny as we started playing in different pools and as a result default to very different player profiles for unknown games. So if you're stuck playing more of a fixed "style" it's easy to see large changes in WR by moving venue.

Ya I'm still learning to adjust to different games.


Also, +1 for not overthinking 1/2. I suffered from that for a while. Just fold when you're supposed to and let them give you their money. You'll still be far more aggressive than most of them so use that to get your LAG rocks off. I can count on one hand the number of players I have to worry about deception against. (Angrist is on that list). The thing is that there's so many other easier situations going on in a game where we're at the same table that we very rarely end up playing pots against each other so it barely matters anyway.

In my very limited 2/5 experience, that only changes slightly. Still lots of easy marks.

Finally ticked 1000 hours at 1/2 and 1/3:

Somewhere between 27.5 bb/hr and 18.3 bb/hr ?!?!


That's damned impressive. Are those uncapped or high cap BI games with $600+ stacks often?

If not ... where should I book my plane ticket to?

A good chunk is vegas and the rest is a home game with 300 cap, but stacks can get bigger because everyone will usually fire more than a buy-in before leaving the table, which usually isn't the case in the casino.

Man that's a nice one for sure

Sick results! Prob need tons of live reads to win @ that clip, and even then it's not sustainable imo, but obv still a big winner in the game.

But ya, if you're a crusher and you run great (like luckiest 1% of players) over 1000 hrs I can see it.

Ah, that makes sense. Good game selection in Vegas can be a dream (other times trash from my visits though ).

Do you mean $300 cap, or 300BB cap? Either way, if it's usually sitting closer to $600+ effective stack sizes with people willing to GII you can have a crazy high WR over a few hundred hours.


I've thought for a while that the right metric for comparing winrate is some fraction of the effective stack per hour, rather than BB/hr. But that's a nearly impossible statistic to calculate.