LOL at the rough estimates.

Could you explain what standard deviation says about a person's game?

Edit: I see higher means higher variance game. How is this calculated?

Well, standard deviation can tell you quite a lot.

Tighter players, tend to have a smaller standard deviation, and looser players will have more variance so it's much bigger.

Also, you could be playing in very tough games and are the best player, and your standard deviation will be much bigger.

Overall Standard Deviation is relatively useless to determines one's skill.

If you really want to get into the math, I'm not.

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Thanks for the knowledge doch. Definitely something I'll let someone else think about.

My STD is $178.96 per hour.

Why do you think these are rough estimates? Because we didnt list the cents?

OK, mine is $267.41. Better?

843.37 @ 2/5. Seems high? Though my game is almost always straddled and has a 200bb BI so maybe this is really more of a 5/T std dev

Thanks guys

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What do you guys think is a reasonable sample size to start looking at SD? Higher or lower than what we consider reasonable for a win rate (500+ hours)?


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FWIW, STD is pretty worthless imo.

STD, I meant SD. Still pretty worthless.

It doesnt tell you anything about if you are a good or bad player, but its not worthless.

Player A plays 2/5 and has a $300/hr StnDev
Player B plays 2/5 and has a $900/hr StnDev

Player B is going to need a hell of a lot more hours before he knows his true win rate. There is value in realizing that.

SD is an important stat for anyone who cares about measuring the reliability of their results, what kind of downswings they can expect, how big of a bankroll they need, and comparing poker to other games or comparing different poker games.

If you are an aspiring pro wanting to know if you are ready to quit your job, you want to know your SD. If you play other games like blackjack/video poker and want to which game is the best value, you want to know your SD. If you are a competitive rec and want to know if you have a good win-rate over a certain sample, you need to know your SD. If you don't care about win-rates bankrolls or finances and just want to sit down, get drunk and gamble, you don't need to know your SD.

SD converges pretty quickly, so it shouldn't take long to know about what yours is. I can't really say how many hours you need, though.

Mine has been around 100BB/h for most games I've played in.

I have won a lot of money AND played a lot of hours. If I lose 5k in a given night playing 2/5 it will have ZERO impact on my life. However, my ass will most likely be tilted.

How do live pros actually let themselves play when tilted? Like if you're online playing 4+ tables of zoom w 1k+ hands per hour, sure, you're probably too focused on hands to constantly recognise you may be tilting. But it's really not hard for them and it should be much much easier for live players to recognise when they're playing under the influence of tilt. Like you have minutes between hands often to reflect upon how retadedly you're playing and what you're going to do to rectify it?????

One of the reasons y I win a lot is because I am able to look at myself honestly - and evaluate my mental status. It does not happen often, but when I feel myself getting off my game - I am done period.

Biggest leak I see in live players is entitlement tilt

Entitlement tilt is just a sub-genre of tilt.

In the end, mental game mistakes cost poker players a lot of money.

Entitlement tilt, might just be the worst version of tilt, that you will witness on a daily basis. The worst versions of tilt are the ones that cause you to bust your bankroll. If you have that issue, you need to stop gambling. For example:You lose $400 at $1/2 and you move up to $2/$5 to try and win it back easier. Then you dump money there and you go up again.

The tilt usually happens if I'm just getting coolered after coolered. In live it'll take about 5 buy-ins before I need to walk away. Or some guy succesfully needling me in a monster pot. I start to miss smaller details in a hand than I would normally when I start to tilt, ala, losing focus.

And I'll sometimes not notice a stack size of a raiser on opposite ends of the table.

All very small things but it adds up.

MGOP people, MGOP.

Madison County GOP?

Maximum Gross Outstanding Position?

Macquarie Global Opportunities Partners?

Melanin Gene Overprinted Polypeptide?

dochoran - think we on the same page. I dont like to make super long posts and sometimes use too few words.

Entitlement tilt - This particular version is the type of tilt that I see on the regular from the regulars. goes something like this. OMFG these guys are soooo fukken retarted and they are slingin $$$ everywhere. I got to b in as many hands as possible with these fools. Suddenly they are playing hands they would never play from oop and the spiral continues. And the justification is comical

Obv the worst kind of tilt is the kind that causes complete loss of your roll. You see people go nuts and blast off a couple o stacks...they know they are on tilt. Entitlement, is interesting cuz justifications get made, and I am convinced in most cases they are NOT even remotely aware.

I generally do not talk about strat...but think about this long and hard from a biz perspective (I am talking both sides of the coin here)

yeah i pretty much just leave when i feel at all tilted and my 3 hour average session reflects that. It definitely allows for reducing losses but also prevents large wins in some capacity, as I don't reap the rewards of getting stuck/looking spewy and then getting tons of action after

First thing I thought of, lol

Well, I could make a bankroll related post about that one, so it seemed the most likely, even though it doesn't fit in context.

After a google search that includes the word "poker," I presume it's a Tendler reference.

Mighty god of poker?

Might get offended player?
Menacing guy on pot?