Ive never even seen a $5600 pot at 2/5. How does that happen?

This one was super tilting, rest are standard. There is no worse tilt in poker than dominating draws in plo and losing.

Lol this is cute


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Haha I mean I know it's like still a 60/40 or whatever but man I just can't stand losing these.

Whereas AA < KK is just so yawn standard boring it literally does not cause a second of hesitation as I continue to feast on my delicious chicken quesadilla

It was pretty remarkable. I open 25, young dude who ran it up from 500 to 2800 calls in ep. Flop goes check (80 in pot) I lead 75, ep c/r 400, I ship 2800 and he SNAP calls.

We both ended up deep I guess because our game is 2/5 with Mississippi straddle so really more of a 5/T, plus you can buy in 200bb @ 2/5

My favorite jimmyvjv hand

Haha, V also gave me the trifecta treatment: fistpump selfclap and a lap around table, explain the genius of his play, snap rack up and leave

Wow that's tilting. I can feel the steam coming from you.

I'm surprised you shipped the flop. I guess you knew he was calling....

Yeah there's some guys who toss in a few blacks and aren't folding to ANY raise. He also was in the process of racking up, and saw the board and SAT down hard. He was there to gamble, happy to oblige

I fistbumped the other dude. Genuinely happy for those guys, because you know 2 out of three times that money is going back into my pockets. Kind of a drag when lost 70/30s pile up but what can you do.

I'll stop hijacking thread now. I just wanted to poke a hole in the 6 or 7BI is the most you can lose live bubble

So 100 hour update since I've started keeping records (which I didn't think would change my mindset as much as it has).

I play way more business like now in the sense that I don't splash around as much. Folding a lot more weaker broadways, aj, at. Folding lots more sb. I think I still have to work on folding more suited connectors and suited weak broadways from ep. Learning how to play smaller pots out of position with tp type hands especially against strong opponents.

Also want to incorporate more 3 betting against players who fold to aggression.

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102.75 hours
Hourly: 208 (all games)
225.14 (3/5)

I'm trying to find the best strategy of when to call it quits for the session. Browsing through the Winrates thread I do see a lot of small loses and some double or triple ups for some of the winning players. I rarely see 1k+ nights at 1/2 in the Winrate thread. Why is that? When do you guys get up off the table and why?

I've adopted the "lose 2 buyins and leave" rule which seems to be working great over all. This allows me to avoid tilting completely, but I just don't know when to leave when i'm winning. I feel like at some point you will eventually lose it all from variance the longer you stay at the table.

Thanks!

Welcome to the forum!
I hope that you enjoy your time here.

Thank you for reading through the winrate thread. That also happens to be the place where this question would be best suited.

Moved.

Thank you,
irtm

Personally, I set a leaving range of an hour or so. I think about how long I want the session to be, but I give myself some flexibility. I don't trust myself in the moment because I have gotten burned playing tired before. It just seems easier to spew. Tommy Angelo astutely pointed out that every session will end on a quit. So it helps to quit better than your opponents.

I also use a stop loss to prevent tilt. Mine is 3 buyins but I used 2 when starting out. I think that's a good number. You're not experienced enough to evaluate your tilt susceptibility yet. So a hard stop at 2 is good.

Wrt to the bolded, no, just no. Variance can fluctuate in the short term based on your style of play, your opponents' styles, and stack sizes. Perhaps a couple other minor factors I'm not thinking of. In the long term, more time = less variance. It's easy to Google this in 2 seconds and see that as sample size increases, variance decreases. But here's an analogy to think about it yourself: If you bowl one frame against a professional bowler, you might beat him. If you bowl a full game, you have no shot.

So really, longer sessions should only help to reduce variance as you acquire a larger and larger sample of hands. GL out there.

Why do you play poker?

My guess is mainly for fun. If so, leave the table when you want. Maybe at a certain time (which is what I do). Maybe when the table gets less enjoyable, or much more difficult. Maybe when you've had your fill of poker for the day. Maybe when you find yourself getting tired, or tilted, or whatever.

Your thinking regarding "eventually losing it all from variance the longer you stay at the table" is a little interesting that perhaps points at a misunderstanding of how poker works. It's all one big lifetime session. A losing player will lose overall, and a winning player will win overall. Session length will play only partly into it, not due to variance, but more due to (a) losing focus the longer the session drags on due to tiredness and (b) perhaps not being as good at deepstack poker as shortstack poker (and the longer a session goes the more chance you'll get into a deepstack situation).

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Elements of poker by Tommy Angelo talks about this. I just read it about a month ago and it's changed my whole perspective on the game. I used to have a very difficult time getting up from table.

When I start playing passively or just seeing flops or distracted or annoyed or wanting to get somebody, I know my mental game is off. This is ideally when I start to prepare to go.

Calling too much, bluffing too much, getting bored, being angry are all signals to end sessions for me.

Learning to quit is a lot like learning to fold. Read Tommy Angelo's books for some good suggestions and stories.

The max win/loss per session is related a lot to session length. Because of the games I play in (charity or home games after work) I can only get in 2-4 (*maybe* r) hours a session. So it's hard to post a monster win in a short time like that without getting hammered by the deck.

So I tend to get up when the room is closing, or the table gets short near the end of the night. When I go to the casino I set a target time to leave based on my other life obligations (2:45a to make it home before all the take-out is closed at 4a, midnight so I can make work tomorrow, etc) and I play until about that time, give or take some free hands before the blinds, and just get up and leave.

Otherwise I leave if I'm not feeling up to playing anymore, up or down for the night. Which is a feeling you develop with practice by taking into acount your mental state, how you're playing, how tired/hungry you are, what the table conditions are like, and everything else. Hard to quantify but very important. If you start thinking about locking up a win, just leave immediately.

If you start worrying about how to play a big stack without making mistakes, or are worried about losing it all, go home. Yes, playing deep is a skill you want to have, and should practice when possible. But any mistakes you make as a new player will be greatly magnified when you're deep. While I won't advocate a hard "stop win" criteria, most newer players start getting uncomfortable when they're up about 3BI.

Winning $1k in a sitting at 1|2 is tough. I did it 8/168 sessions. My average session length is only 5.4 hours, though, and they were mostly 100BB cap games, and a lot of those were only for a few minutes while I was waiting for 2|5. The shortest session I won >$1k was +$2241 in 6 hours.

This will only happen if you are a losing player. Maybe you are and there would be no shame in that, but if you are a winner then the longer you stay at the table the more you should expect to win.

I usually just play however long I want. Usually around 6 hours. Less if the game sucks or I'm tired/sick/etc. More if the games are good and I feel good. Recently I've had trouble staying because I always want to leave when I am up. I'm getting out of a rough stretch. ~500 hours of close to breakeven. It is making me play more timidly and making me want to protect wins, which is dumb and I'm trying to stop.

I don't recommend using a stop loss. If you feel good and the game is good and you don't have other obligations, then stay. When you are tilting, leave. It's as simple as that. The only reason to have a stop loss is if you don't trust yourself to recognize you are tilting.

I'd disagree with this. It's too easy for a new player to be un-able to recognize that he's overmatched and that the game isn't actually as good as he thinks it is. It's also hard to expect him to be able to detect all the kinds of tilt he could have.

I'm a big advocate of a forced *break* at either 2 or 3 BI. Get up and walk around for 10 minutes and think about it before continuing to play. Then a capped stop loss at some point after that, 4-5 BI maybe.

If I had a 2 buy in stop loss I'd sure have some short sessions!

(I once got stacked back to back in my first 2 hands of a new 2/5 game, 100bbs each)

That said, a huge improvement to my game was setting a time I wanted to leave and sticking to it. I used to always say "well I was leaving at 11 but ZOMG this whale!" but you'll find if you do that you basically stay late everytime bc there's always good games.

And I play really, really bad when it gets past my bedtime.

I have a 3 buyin stop loss usually but an emergency 4th buy in if there's like a guy shoving blind or something. I usually just leave tho, again bc from experience it's what works best for me. Like sometimes even if you are still at the top of your mental game (you aren't) it's nice to shut the laptop and talk the dog for a walk.

If you lose 3 buyins in one session, it's time to call it a night.

If you're a LAG, it means you're just getting warmed up.

IMO the only reason someone should leave a game is if A) it's no longer a good game or B) your playing poorly/tilting. This is what a bankroll is for. Stoploss b's should refer to B to solve.

Yeah, if you're a machine or computer, keep on playing until you break the table singlehandedly.

If you're human, however, there will be a whole host of other variables that come into play. Fatigue, emotional states, focus and concentration levels, hunger etc.

This philosophy of keep playing if the games are good, regardless of other conditions or variables is rather shortsighted. Of course, you keep playing if it's good, but if something changes, like you start getting tired and start making fundamental errors as a result, then rack your chips and call it a night. There's no shame in leaving extra EV on the table. The games will always be there.

And besides, if you're good enough, any table you sit down at will be +EV for you. At least, it's like that for me at 1/2 & 2/5.

/shamelessbrag

I personally leave based on a few questions I ask myself during a session.

In no particular order.

1. Where is the money coming from on the table?
2. Are there players at this table that will make it significantly harder to win money from the bad players?
3. What is my mental state/how am I playing? So am I paying full attention? Am I tilting in anyway? Am I hungry? Etc
4. Do I have more than 25% of my bankroll on the table and can I lose all or most of my stack in a single hand? (Mainly concerned about being covered by a good player)

I read about the 25% rule on a forum somewhere and after a few sessions where I had like 7BI in front of me, I thought it would be useful to start following. Generally having a high number of buy ins is later in the session/night where I'll be playing a bit worse and deep stacked is an area I lack skill in.


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Yeah. That said IMO the EV of staying at a table with moby dick is really really difficult to pass up. I remember playing a 12 hour session a couple weeks back, I was about to rack up in half an hour and a couple whales sat down and started playing every hand. I was breakeven for the first 12 hours but I stuck around another 2 hours, despite being tired and hungry, to walk out +3buyins.

Now ofc playing for 14 hours straight isn't ideal but IMO if you don't have anything else to do the next day, sticking around for the free money is worth it. Which is why when I say I'm going to play a 10 hour session, it's 10 hours +-2 hours depending on the action. If Reggy/****/low profitability after 8 hours I'll often haul ass early. If juicy af after 10 hours and I'm not physically dead and there's a very good reason to keep playing, will stay an extra couple hours. Capping sessions at 12 hours IMO is a decent idea unless there is like top 2% of whales sat to your right.