First session was a win but snapped that massive 1 session undefeated streak when I shot took T/T for the first time tonight.

My T/T wineate is now officially -$266/hr. Now THAT is definitely sustainable

My PLO WR was -$200/hr after 2 sessions.

Now that I've logged more sessions it's only -$120/hr

80% of my sessions for the year so far are losing. ^_^

1/2, 1/3 900 Hour Update

Total Hours 903.34
Total Profit $50,467.00
Hourly $55.87

Can you afford to lose part or all of the $2500? That's the bottom line. It sounds like you're not really in the position to do so.

I play I low variance nit style, but I've lost $2500+ once in ~3200 hours at 1/3 NL plus come extremely close one other time. It will happen to winners, and it'll happen even more to losers.

And due to your 1BI rule of just 70bb, it sounds like you will be playing very shortstacked (I think higher variance?), won't often be able to get into easy peasy profitable situations (due to often being too short to setmine/etc.), won't be able to stick it out in good games (one 70bb is *so* trivially easy to lose), etc.

Gimo;goodluckG

18.62 bb/hr over 900 hours, wow!

Looks like you haven't put in a 500bb downswing yet (or maybe once was pretty close)? Took me ~1800 hours before I officially did that (and decided to turn it into a 950bb downswing while I was at it).

GawesomeresultsDonkey!G

How were you able to accurately predict that first session will only be your third biggest loss of 2017?

I'm stuck 143bb in my first 2 sessions / 13 hours of 2017. Plan on putting in another 2 sessions / ~12 hours this weekend.

Gmeaningless,ofcourseG

Pfft, I've done that already this year.

That's pretty damn impressive. Couple of questions

How many years/months did it take to play those 900 hours?

What's the breakdown between $1/2 and $1/3?

How deep are the average stacks when you play? (A game regularly $1k deep should give you results more like $2/5 or $5/T than a typical $1/2 with $200 stacks.)

Anything unique about where/when you're playing? Weekends only? Back-room games, etc?

Either way, sick run so far.

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Biggest downswing was encompassed in this ridiculous run, right at -500bb:

Hours / Profit
8.57 $1,500.00
4.72 ($450.00)
5.47 $375.00
6.18 $1,092.00
6.58 $560.00
5.12 $985.00
5.32 $350.00
5.53 $455.00
5.92 $550.00
5.32 ($800.00)
5.18 $140.00
2.87 ($900.00)
5.18 $260.00
5.45 $1,855.00
5.00 $300.00
5.43 $632.00
5.18 $1,940.00
5.55 $510.00
5.38 $825.00
5.65 $908.00
5.58 $425.00
5.10 ($203.00)
5.50 $865.00

OK, cool. Makes sense.

So that sounds like peak weekend hours where they other players with jobs and money are out to have a good time, and that you're only playing when you're feeling good. Which is much better for your hourly winrate than forcing yourself to go to the card room every other day and grind out the hours because you *need* them.

The BI cap and stack sizes are also good to support a nice winrate.

Also sounds like you must play with a lot of other regulars if you're hitting the room at the same time every week. Again, good for your winrate as you can build history against specific players to exploit them.

Not trying to knock your results in any way, just put them into context.

Look, take two max buy-ins and if you lose them both go back when you have another two. It is not recommended you borrow money for this process (which of course you already knew).

I don't get today's efforts to make bankroll management sound like a science. The traditional advice was always that you move to the next level (after the first) by winning a 20 max buy-in roll to play with, dropping back down to the previous level if you lose two of them. What's wrong with that? You should be good enough for $2/$5 if you've beaten $1/$2 for $10k, and if you struggle there you've got the requisite cushion. I guess you could blow as many as eight max buy-ins (assuming $500 is your local $2/$5 game's max) which would stop you at $6k (i.e., 20 max buy-ins at $300 if that's where your $1/$2 game is capped) but that's not what has traditionally been recommended. Stick to two buy-ins before dropping back down and do not stress having the bankroll first before playing the littlest game spread. No one else does. Anyway, if your tournament results are good you already know what you're doing and $1/$2 should be entirely beatable--if not right away then very, very soon. Good luck.

The reality is that 1/2nl is the lowest stages games so if you only had $500 and wanted to play, it's only game you'd be "rolled" for. If you're not playing for a living, their is 0 point in saving till you have 20 buyins before playing. Take the 10 you have, play, have fun, and add money to your roll as you can. If you lose, keep working on your game and rebuild your roll when you have the chance. You can always sit with $200 and see how the session goes. If you're willing and wanting to buyin with $300 then I'd assume you already have an edge and this post is pointless.

Where do I sign up? Me too

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When I said I turned 2 BI into 10BI I meant, $400 = $2400.
I think it is impressive, this all happened in 8 sessions.
What is impressive to you ?
I then ruin my bankroll by gambling mostly on tables games like 3card poker.

It's not that it is or isn't impressive, it's that it is not statistically significant. The sample size is too small.

And if you play games known to be -EV, then you are showing mental leaks that also reduce your likelihood of being a long-term winning player further decreases somewhat.

It is generally accepted that one has no statistical idea at all if he/she is a long-term winner until they have logged 200 hours, not a great idea until 500 hours, and not near certainty until 1000 hours (this varies by observed winrate and standard deviation, but is a decent rule of thumb).

It's very unlikely that a player would run a tiny bankroll into a regular sized one even if he is a crusher. And if he has to wait a pay cycle or two to save up two more buyins then he's loses continuity in his progression and chances to play at really good tables.

He isn't going to progress at all if he doesn't play. It is silly for a new player ( most likely a losing player) to worry about bankroll management IMO. Who does that when they are starting out?

You get a few buy ins of discretionary money together and play. When you lose, you spend a week or two thinking through the big hands and hopefully posting them for feedback. When you win, do exactly the same thing. Add to the bankroll as your finances permit.

Everyone here seems to think not having money to play poker for a few weeks is the end of the world. A big bankroll needs to be protected. A newby should just gamble with money they are comfortable losing.

you gatta understand, most of us win/lose 2.5k on a daily/weekly basis

It means nothing

If you are losing/winning $2500 at 1/2 on a daily or even weekly basis, something is seriously wrong with your game. Losing 12 1/2 buy ins at 1/2 daily? Weekly? Come, on Man! That's not normal.

Once in a blue moon, OK, but not daily or even weekly

I think a fair % of us are playing $2/$5+.

At @ 1/2 obviously unless you're playing uncapped or deep stacked, yeah losing 2.5k daily/winning would be tough.

I've won over 2k in a session at 1/2, ran hot, bluffed hot, and yeah more hot.

I'm not impressed by anyone winning money @ poker over a short period of time, do it for months or years at a time and come back to me.

Edpoker said he turned $200 into $2400 playing 1/2 and YGOchamp said "most of us win/lose $2500 on a daily/weekly basis."

So either YGOchamp's comparison is completely meaningless to Edpokers start at playing 1/2 or he was talking about winning/losing 12 1/2 buy ins on a daily /weekly basis.

What is impressive is to do it over a statistically significant period of time. For comparison, my last 5 sessions at 1/2, ~ 27 hours, has a +2100. It's not really impressive so much as it is run good. That's a WR of ~40bb/hour, which is massively unsustainable.


Why people are commenting on $ amounts if they don't play 1/2, I have no idea. If only each game had an easily set up value in which we could compare different blind level games...


Edit: PS - stay away from the pit games. You can't win. If you really feel the need to play them, take some small amount of $ and play for entertainment purposes only, as that is specifically what they are for 99.99% of us. Once you lose that small amount of $, stop playing.

Anyone have advice for best time to play 1-2? I'd say weekend nights? I'm looking to only play when games are soft and not reg infested. I know 1-2 prolly isn't hardest game to beat but I wanna make it the easiest i can.

I assume 5pm - super late night on a Saturday is best?