This sounds like my style at LLSNL to the uninitiated. But a bit more aggressive postflop, a bit goofier table antics, and not quite as good (I'm a winner, usually build a big stack, but take some rough body blows from time to time, aka spew).

Instead of EP limping JJ, if your game is passive pre, I recommend raising your pps and an occasional suited broadway to 2-3bb in EP. Keeps most 3balls (if they happen) reasonable as well as doing great things for ease of manipulating pot size upwards if you nail an overpair or set.


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+1

When you can replenish and you're at 1/2, you don't have to worry about bankroll management as much until you've built one and figured out if you're a winning player.

Tell him to use some of that leftover $100 on a couple of books or something to improve his game. If he's a smart guy with gambling discipline, that should be enough to make him a winner.

for books, Harrington on Cash series are the best to start with for 1/2. Don't remember the strat being outdated at this point like the tournament books are.

The main reason I suggest them is they outline why being nitty in a cash game is usually correct, I remember a section about overplaying TPTK and getting stacked which seems so important for a (assumedly) new player.

No such thing as overplaying TPtK!


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Can someone else post a damn picture so I don't have to see my piss poor stats every time this thread pops up on my Tapatalk?

Monthly results- hours and profit

Jan- 243 hours and $3490
Feb- 146 hours and $11605
Mar- 186 hours and $8117
April- 27 hours and -$4392
May- 5 hours and -$191
June- 73 hours and -$130


July- 23 hours and -$250
August- ????

between July and August I played 120hours and made about $3200 but I dont have the sessions logged


Sept- 57 hours and -$729
Oct- 21 hours and $1939
Nov- 2 hours and $65
Dec- 196 hours and $8663


Ended the year with 980 hours of 2/5 ($31500 profit = $32hr) and about 130hours of other games like 1/2 1/3 some PLO and some 5/10

Hi everyone, I currently play 1/2 live poker at local casinos. Took a break for a few months, looking to get back at grinding. Problem is I only have 2 buyins I can afford to lose. I am a winning player. Last year I grinded 2 buyins up to 10buyins before using the money for something. I only grind live is 2 buyins enough to get back to grinding ? your thoughts, thank you.

If you can afford to lose the money, take a shot and hope you run good.

If you can't afford to lose the money, spend it on something else or find a way to make more of a bankroll before getting back to poker seriously

And if you read any 200 post chunk in this thread, you'll also appreciate that running 2 buyins up to 10 buyins doesn't necessarily mean you're a winning player.

I hope you are - it seems you're off to a good start. Good luck

Wondering what people's tips/hr. rates look like. I don't currently track tips but did over a 100 hr sample last year at 2/5 and was around $7/hr. (was winning 9bb/hr over that sample). drinks etc.. not included in this

Also, any dealer-tipping philosophies to share?

God, I don't even want to think about how much I tip/hr

Because frankly I'm "somewhat" conservative and still tip a bunch/hr longrun (I'll tip $2-5 on big pots but if I 3bet pre or cbet a single raised pot I usually don't tip), and I cant really tip any less than I do (I mean I can but its important to have good relationships w/ the floor and dealers).

$5-8/hr prob seems right, meaning I'm spending ~10k+/year in tips. It's probably more than that though

Also spend around $3/day tipping waitresses for drinks

There's an entire tipping containment thread for that discussion. It sometimes gets rather heated too.

I tip $1/hand won that saw a flop (unless it's some screwy $100+ pot that gets taken down pre), no idea what that equates to per hour as I haven't tracked and it varies an awful lot with how the game conditions are. Don't buy much in the way of drinks at the table, but will tip the waitress $1 if I do get something.

A bit late but here are my 2016 results. This is the first year I played live as I used to play online until around 2013 where I switched from online poker to online csgo skin sports betting as a side income while going to school. I was a little rusty at first when I came back to poker and I find the game super slow/boring at times as I used to play mostly heads up and some 6max, but the live environment is pretty fun and makes it easy to play longer hours compared to online where I would get burnt out after playing for 1-2 hours. I took a break from March-August as I was low on cash after buying a car and was busy with csgo betting, and came back after the unregulated skin betting sites were shut down. I would say overall I ran and played well and hopefully I can hit 1000 hours in 2017.

uhhh....


^this

If you're playing ~100bb or less in a 1/2 or 1/3 game, tptk is such an easy GII (on most disconnected board textures ofc, not AK on KQJ....)

people are just so aweful, they'll stick it in with TT on K94r for stacks, and if they have KJ "WOW WHAT A COOLER"

One caveat. You need a loose/non-nitty vibe to get that action.
Players over adjust live way too much. OMC and Gibraltar rocks, regardless of age, get folds were active dudes will get lots of calls.


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Wasnt it you that was calling someone out saying their win rate was a lie? If youre getting it in without a second thought with TPTK I can see why your win rate isnt higher. And if you are getting it in for stacks with TPTK regularly and winning the vast majority of them, then your win rate should be sky high. Something isnt right here.

If I won a stack 90% of the times I had TPTK and lost a stack 10% of the time, my win rate would be 30BB/hr.

Its hilarious that you bothered posting that instead of going back and seeing if it was or was not me (like dude, it's not even 5 pages back)

No, it was not. In fact, it's the exact opposite, I was the person calling out Bodybuilder (who was claiming they were a lie), telling him those WR's were easily achievable.

I'll just ignore the rest of your post since it was predicated on an incorrect assumption.

Or just be 20 and people will pay you off regardless of if you fold for 3 hours straight

My apologies, Sir.

The rest of my post is still valid though. This isnt 2004. You cant get it in with TPTK and expect to win that often.

Depends on how and where you play. sLag play is all about value hounding that top pair and folding out the pusssies.


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It's fine, but I disagree that the rest of your post is still valid.

Your argument was that my reasoning was a reflection of my poor WR. But now that it's discovered that my WR is in fact not poor like you previously assumed, my logic likely holds merit.

lol 2004 or 2024, live 1/2 is going to remain horribad in most of the country

Doesn't matter what year it is, people just can't start flopping more sets on KT6r

No, but they aren't winning to play for stacks very often with KJ anymore either.

Now you're going into the evolution of metagame, not of skill level.

You're massively overestimating how often people are able to flop TPTK, especially when the other person has top pair, or even middle pair.

If people stop calling with KJ, then you just start over-bluffing... and if people start overbluffing, people start over-calling.... etc etc etc. It's an endless cycle, and the winners are the ones who are able to identify and exploit current tendencies/trends amongst any given population.

You're way oversimplifying it.

Lol this +1,000. Just look like an Internet kid and no one folds to you ever.

I look like a recreational 'just hear to have a good time guy' and I don't get alot of folds. A lot of it has to do with picking your villians and spots.
I often get folds when I start really bombing and people know its going to be 50+bb on the turn with 50+bb behind.... Put a normal BI into play and folds can happen (if your story is legit).
At 1/3 I expect 30% of the folds I get at 2/5, and thus have a more value heavy big-bet range paired with being more passive and stationy preflop and flop (bet sizing IMHO is even worse here, regularly given long odd-draws a good chance to improve for phenomenal pricing.)

2 nl online is probably very comparable in skill level to like 1/2nl live, right? With how easy it is to track online win rates, from what ive read, 30 bb/100 hands is around where players have maxed out over a large sample.

Live, 30bb / 100hands at 1/2 is $15/ hour, assuming 25 hands/ hr. So with these massive win rates stated itt, as much as id like to believe it being a live player myself, how can they be true? There should be some hard evidence of huge win rates bigger than 30 bb/ 100 hands online @ 2nl, shouldnt there? (and yes, people move up, but even over like 40k hands...)