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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

12-29-2016 , 08:19 PM
What app is that ^^^? Thx.
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12-29-2016 , 08:27 PM
RunGood
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12-29-2016 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
End of year results post.

Had my best year ever in terms of Profit and second best in terms of Win Rate, albeit 2013 was skewed by one massive result.

2015 - 370 hours played, Profit $15,582 at $42.08ph

2014 - 367 hours played, Profit $9,585 at $26.08ph

2013 - 290 hours played, Profit $14,973 at $51.48ph

2012 - 281 hours played, Profit $9,010 at $32.02ph


Results are across cash and tournaments. My cash limits range from 1/1 ($100max) home games, to 1/2, 2/3, 2/4, 2/5 and 5/5 ($700max). My overall cash win rate in 2015 is 10.91bb an hour

I feel like I've improved this year in the technical and strategic areas of the game, with quite a lot of study via reading and re-reading a few key books and some note taking and scenario planning off them.

I have masses of areas I can improve, but where I believe I need to improve most is in my focus and concentration at the table. I just don't play my A game enough. I feel this is particularly true at what I see is my 'normal' game, my 5/5 game at the local casino.

Reason for this is that by the time I get to the casino, it's generally on Thursday or Friday night and I've had a long week of getting up early and going to the gym, running my business and all my family stuff. It becomes relaxation time and this, in addition to the fact that I know and am friendly with a lot of the regs I play with, means that it's become more social, I talk more and I'm way less focused on villains, tendencies, table dynamics and spots than is optimal.

As a result and in conjunction with there being some good regs and villains at my normal game, my win rate at the 5/5 is less than half what it is at other games.

so this is what I need to work on in 2016, along with planning for particular villains and plugging a load of technical leaks that I still have

Humbling results post for me with my first ever losing year of poker


Overall result is a loss of $5,661 over 300 hours.

Hold em cash - up $1600 over 150 hours (at 2/3, 2/4, 2/5 and 2/5/10)
PLO cash - down $1500 over 35 hours
Tournaments - down $5761 over 115 hours of which....
Satellites 0/11 for minus $2520 after swaps (24 hours)
MTTs 3/9 for minus $2853 after swaps/sales (91 hours)

So all in all, a bad year and it would have been a whole load worse without a couple of donkament cashes in Dec.

I don't believe I've run well at all...definitely not in tournaments and also in cash, but I also know that my game has fallen away.

I haven't played nearly enough cash and I haven't worked anything like enough at my cash game (like not at all) to get myself together to a point where I feel confident in my game. And a huge leak of mine is not concentrating/thinking hard enough at the table and as a result, I'm not playing my A game hardly ever. I also believe that my cash game has gotten harder over the past 2 years - all the worst players have gone to PLO - and as a result, I feel like I've lost my cash 'mojo' almost completely.

I'm determined to work on it this year...to retool myself to understand the different game conditions and villains I'm facing and to ensure I'm playing well enough to take advantage of what I see

So...resolutions

- play cash more regularly
- study off the felt - Poker Snowie, a coaching commitment...either CLP or something else.
- create an in game focus routine that can help me get more disciplines while playing
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12-29-2016 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
Why do you substract rake from expected profit? Expected WR already takes rake into account. If your room adds extra money for jackpot, the extra you pay, you should expect to get back in promotion money.
This seems right, though I do think I'm playing more rake than most of the player pool, so I would like to fold that in to the wr calc. Thanks for pointing it out.
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12-29-2016 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Humbling results post for me with my first ever losing year of poker


Overall result is a loss of $5,661 over 300 hours.

Hold em cash - up $1600 over 150 hours (at 2/3, 2/4, 2/5 and 2/5/10)
PLO cash - down $1500 over 35 hours
Tournaments - down $5761 over 115 hours of which....
Satellites 0/11 for minus $2520 after swaps (24 hours)
MTTs 3/9 for minus $2853 after swaps/sales (91 hours)

So all in all, a bad year and it would have been a whole load worse without a couple of donkament cashes in Dec.

I don't believe I've run well at all...definitely not in tournaments and also in cash, but I also know that my game has fallen away.

I haven't played nearly enough cash and I haven't worked anything like enough at my cash game (like not at all) to get myself together to a point where I feel confident in my game. And a huge leak of mine is not concentrating/thinking hard enough at the table and as a result, I'm not playing my A game hardly ever. I also believe that my cash game has gotten harder over the past 2 years - all the worst players have gone to PLO - and as a result, I feel like I've lost my cash 'mojo' almost completely.

I'm determined to work on it this year...to retool myself to understand the different game conditions and villains I'm facing and to ensure I'm playing well enough to take advantage of what I see

So...resolutions

- play cash more regularly
- study off the felt - Poker Snowie, a coaching commitment...either CLP or something else.
- create an in game focus routine that can help me get more disciplines while playing
Most of your losses are in tournaments and I don't know what size fields you are playing in, but that in general, that's a lol sample size.

This is true of 150 cash hours.

With this sample, judge your results on qualitative assessment, not results.
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12-29-2016 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
This seems right, though I do think I'm playing more rake than most of the player pool, so I would like to fold that in to the wr calc. Thanks for pointing it out.
It doesnt matter. Its an unavoidable cost of doing business. Nobody subtracts rake from their WR. All you're doing is inflating your own WR, which doesnt really help you aside from helping your ego maybe
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12-30-2016 , 02:22 PM
I posted this in the RunGood support thread, but is there a way to remove breaks from $/hour calculations in the app? How do you guys handle that from a bookkeeping perspective?
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12-30-2016 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Flate
I posted this in the RunGood support thread, but is there a way to remove breaks from $/hour calculations in the app? How do you guys handle that from a bookkeeping perspective?


I keep a spreadsheet and calc it there. It doubles as a backup, since I lost all my data once already. Most of these programs let you import/export csv files, so if I ever switch programs, it also allows for easy transfer of data
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12-30-2016 , 02:43 PM
2016 in the books. Made slightly more than I made last year but on more than 2x the volume. Logged ~1800 hours this year but endured a pretty brutal year variance wise which changed a lot of my thoughts/expectations regarding poker.
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12-30-2016 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
I keep a spreadsheet and calc it there. It doubles as a backup, since I lost all my data once already. Most of these programs let you import/export csv files, so if I ever switch programs, it also allows for easy transfer of data
Turns out, after digging through the app, that break time is deducted automatically before calculating $/hour.
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12-30-2016 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
+1



Having an ok-to-well paying job (so long as that job ain't requiring an ungodly amount of hours or is super stressful or sucks the soul out of us) that puts us in good financial shape while keeping poker as a hobby (that hopefully makes us a little cash on the side) is the stone cold nuts.



GimoG


Stone Cold Truth right here.


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12-30-2016 , 07:40 PM
@ volume king

Hours:

I posted a graph in another thread with a decent sample size oh hours and a w/r north of 10bb/hr

My largest volume in a year of live play since BF is 2150.
This is NOT EZ.

I was highly motivated and needed to earn and I really took time in building my stamina. I dont autopilot when I play. Autopiloting and cranking out hours is no biggy...but playing kick ass poker for real hours day in and day out is HARD work. Building this stamina is like working out. You dont get in the 1k pound club over night....you work your ass off for it. The same holds true for cranking out 2k hours of kick ass A+ poker

I have been burnt out for quite some time. I have effectively taken the last quarter off...and am going on a 2 week vacation with my kid tomorrow. I am feeling recharged and ready to hit it again when I get back. Luckily, I am not a moran when it comes to my $ and have the luxury of being able to take time off when need be. This has been my first extended break in a very very long time

I most likely will never play more than 1500 hours per year ever again.
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12-30-2016 , 10:14 PM
This has prob never been discussed here but should help winrates for good players.

I mostly play in time rake games. I pay for time out of pocket and not from stack. Take it one step further and tip out of pocket as well. I preserve my playable stack by at least $20/hr

Merry Christmas lol
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12-31-2016 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
This has prob never been discussed here but should help winrates for good players.

I mostly play in time rake games. I pay for time out of pocket and not from stack. Take it one step further and tip out of pocket as well. I preserve my playable stack by at least $20/hr

Merry Christmas lol
I dont understand the point of this other then trying to inflate your WR... in most time rake games you can buy in deep af anyway so that "20/hr" being in play means notihng
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12-31-2016 , 12:12 PM
How does it mean nothing? For example you are playing for 6 hours. And you double through a bigger stack. You're stack would have $120 more chips than it normally would if you paid time rake/tips from your table stack.
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12-31-2016 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
How does it mean nothing? For example you are playing for 6 hours. And you double through a bigger stack. You're stack would have $120 more chips than it normally would if you paid time rake/tips from your table stack.
And if you get stacked by a bigger stack?
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12-31-2016 , 12:19 PM
Then you lose more. Hopefully we're winning more than losing when stacks go in longrun
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12-31-2016 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
And if you get stacked by a bigger stack?
If at any point you're trying to reduce your stack size for fear of getting stacked by someone else at the table then you should just get up..
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12-31-2016 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
If at any point you're trying to reduce your stack size for fear of getting stacked by someone else at the table then you should just get up..
i believe Mike's point was the times that you stack someone with that extra $120 in your stack are going to be negated by the times you get stacked by someone with that extra $120 in your stack

effectively he's saying it becomes moot, which i think is going to be close to the truth in the long run
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12-31-2016 , 01:07 PM
You guys must be playing in some tough games.
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12-31-2016 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
How does it mean nothing? For example you are playing for 6 hours. And you double through a bigger stack. You're stack would have $120 more chips than it normally would if you paid time rake/tips from your table stack.
Are you saying that you should generally play full stack, that you don't take time charge into account when computing win rate, or both? I agree with the former. On the latter, you can compute win rate however you like but most people include time charge/rake in their win rate so you'll be comparing apples to oranges against most people.
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12-31-2016 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
Then you lose more. Hopefully we're winning more than losing when stacks go in longrun
Lol +1. Actually some good advice imo. I don't play in time-rake games so I'm not sure the hassle of carrying a bunch of $1 chips in my pocket to tip is really worth it, but we should always want our effective stacks as deep as possible (assuming we are better than the other players obviously)
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12-31-2016 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Are you saying that you should generally play full stack, that you don't take time charge into account when computing win rate, or both? I agree with the former. On the latter, you can compute win rate however you like but most people include time charge/rake in their win rate so you'll be comparing apples to oranges against most people.
I include rake when calculating. The $150 in chips in my pocket and in the cup holder is added to the total amount I buy in for at the table when I record the session
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12-31-2016 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
i believe Mike's point was the times that you stack someone with that extra $120 in your stack are going to be negated by the times you get stacked by someone with that extra $120 in your stack

effectively he's saying it becomes moot, which i think is going to be close to the truth in the long run
I guess I just disagree with the second premise.
If we are getting stacks in and losing as often as we are getting stacks in and winning then we are likely playing bad poker.

And this is coming from someone who gets stacks in pretty often...
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12-31-2016 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
This has prob never been discussed here but should help winrates for good players.

I mostly play in time rake games. I pay for time out of pocket and not from stack. Take it one step further and tip out of pocket as well. I preserve my playable stack by at least $20/hr

Merry Christmas lol
This sounds bad for the game.

"Hey man, why are you paying time out of pocket?"

"So that I can stack you for an extra $50, which will increase my long term winrate by about 80 cents an hour."

"Oh..."
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