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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

08-07-2016 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PrincePuffin
Maybe I didn't do a good job of explaining my situation. Let me clarify. The money I "give" to my wife goes to our common account. Liferoll money, if you will. She does not have sole control of that money. It is ours. We both benefit from that money. It pays bills we share. Her paycheck goes to that account as well. We are on a strict budget that is equitable to us both.

The money I keep is strictly off-budget poker bankroll money. It is not "my" money any more than the liferoll is "my" money. It is simply operating capital for my poker venture.

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If that's the case, it's more efficient to set aside an amount as bankroll like let's say 30 BIs and every cent above that should be going to the joint bank account. If you go on a downswing nothing should be going to the bank account. If that downswing gets deep enough, you both should be ready to replenish the bankroll from your bank account.

If, as I suspect- you re trying to increase your bankroll- because you want to move up stakes or it's not where it should be, you should assign yourself a conservative hourly and then deposit monthly on the bank account based on the hours you ve worked and a percentage of the hourly. That's more fair than giving half of your winnings.

In general, as is common knowledge here, poker income isn't steady income; it has a ton of ebbs and flows. So all strategies should be aimed at normalizing the inevitable variance.
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08-07-2016 , 02:48 PM
My situation is way different than someone who plays for a living. My wife is waaay less concerned about the money than the time. And my man was right. A single person isn't going to understand that struggle.
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08-07-2016 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32
All the fishies buying in short hamstrings the sh*t out of your play. Can't see as many flops with speculative hands. Can't 3bet without KK+. Cant make any moves post-flop. Don't win as big of pots when you hit a set since stacks are so shallow, and also don't get the right odds to set mine since stacks are so shallow. The presence of these shorties also make action players tighten up a bit since even they intuitively know that they cant bluff optimally post flop or that they wont get implied odds to chase with their J8 offsuit.

Sure, sometimes you stack the shorties when you have a premium and they have to make desperate shoves pre or on the flop. But, this is based on you being dealt cards. If you go card dead, you are f*cked.

Also, you are much more likely to have multiple shorthanded tables on a Saturday night. This means getting a table change is more difficult if your particular table sucks since the floor has to fill in seats.

On weeknights, there's always atleast one full table where everyone is 200bb deep. Sure, they are mostly regs. But once you have reads on the regs you can crush them with less variance than you would a fish. Lose a decent sized pot? No sweat. You can reload without being hit and run from a weekend recreational player who is going to cash out as soon as they get up over 50BB's for their session.

I play professionally and managing tilt is a big part of being a pro. It seems that Saturday's consistently get me feeling frustrated way more than any other day.
Seems like a case of FPS. You're looking to "make moves" instead of just winning money.

Passive shorties are easy to pummel into oblivion. They tend to do stupid things like limp/fold, or limp/call and then fold on the flop when they miss. So just hammer them with bets/raises. If/when one of them finally decides to come over the top on a flop with their $25 shove/raise you'll be getting a decent price with just about anything.

Is it fancy? No.

Do you win $300 pots this way? No.

Will you steal $30/hr from them $1 at a time? Yes.
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08-07-2016 , 03:06 PM
Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again

/ personal blog lol
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08-07-2016 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PrincePuffin
I do not envy the guys in the poker room with nobody that loves them to go home to.
I have dogs.

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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
No one here I think questions the need for sharing the burdens of a household or the benefits of a relationship.
That's not a need, and most relationships tend to have more negatives than positives.

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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
My situation is way different than someone who plays for a living. My wife is waaay less concerned about the money than the time. And my man was right. A single person isn't going to understand that struggle.
A good husband would give up his poker addiction.

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Originally Posted by Angrist
Seems like a case of FPS. You're looking to "make moves" instead of just winning money.
His point is valid though. Saturday games are so soft that they can tie the hands of the best players and force them to play a more vanilla style which relies heavily on showdown value. The discrepancy in winrates between a mediocre player and a good player is going to be much closer in games like this as opposed to a weekday games where good players are going to win a lot of money without showdown (and with less variance).

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Originally Posted by IMA
Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again
It happens.
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08-07-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
His point is valid though. Saturday games are so soft that they can tie the hands of the best players and force them to play a more vanilla style which relies heavily on showdown value. The discrepancy in winrates between a mediocre player and a good player is going to be much closer in games like this as opposed to a weekday games where good players are going to win a lot of money without showdown (and with less variance).
A good player adapts to the table. A mediocre one only has one style and has trouble in different games.
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08-07-2016 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by IMA
Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again

/ personal blog lol
What's the reseller market like for mini coopers?
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08-07-2016 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by IMA
Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again

/ personal blog lol


Sorry for your loss. Hopefully you can look critically at those PLO hands you posted and realize how awful some of them were. Gl






I'm busy not caring

Lol this guy....STFU Zoltan
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08-07-2016 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
A good player adapts to the table. A mediocre one only has one style and has trouble in different games.
Of course. The point still stands though.
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08-07-2016 , 04:58 PM
Are you married dreamcather? If not you are not really in any position to comment. I mean like at all. And if you are then you should understand that getting married doesn't mean you give up the things that make you happy.
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08-07-2016 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

A good husband would give up his poker addiction.

This is kinda lol. What's the difference if someone spends they're leisure time playing poker, golfing, video gaming, or any of the thousands of other activities possible?



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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Are you married dreamcather? If not you are not really in any position to comment. I mean like at all. And if you are then you should understand that getting married doesn't mean you give up the things that make you happy.

+1
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08-07-2016 , 05:14 PM
You guys know DC is, like, 75% troll material, right?
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08-07-2016 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
You guys know DC is, like, 75% troll material, right?

Obv GTO
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08-07-2016 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
You guys know DC is, like, 75% troll material, right?
Snap the over.
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08-07-2016 , 07:10 PM
Is $6000 enough to play a 1/2 plo game with a negligible risk of ruin if you're the best player in the game?

There would be a 1/2 nlhe game as an option too, but it would not be nearly as good because the worst players from hold em start the Omaha game.
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08-07-2016 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BirdsallSa
Is $6000 enough to play a 1/2 plo game with a negligible risk of ruin if you're the best player in the game?

There would be a 1/2 nlhe game as an option too, but it would not be nearly as good because the worst players from hold em start the Omaha game.


Depends on depth of the game, edge, play style, and style of the other players


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08-07-2016 , 07:30 PM
Player is buying in for $200. Some players will have over $1000. Others will have $500 ish. Everyone will always have at least $200-300. Already said best player at the table. Play style would be relatively tight, folding without huge hands to most aggression given the tendencies of the other players in the game, and only stabbing against certain players. Other player styles are really passive preflop with people only raising AAxx and some people not even raising that. People immediately assume someone has a flush even in heads up play if one runs out. People way overvalue hands like low flushes, flushes on paired boards, low sets...
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08-07-2016 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
My wife is waaay less concerned about the money than the time.
+1,000 for me.

Have a healthy hourly and playing part time has given us a lot of extra disposable income, but wife doesn't care.

First world problem; I'm lucky enough to have decent career in IT. She compares my poker hourly to my day job. I'd need to crush 5/10 or bigger for that comparison to be close. Doesn't matter that I'm happy with low stress fun money from hobby I enjoy.



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08-07-2016 , 08:11 PM
Depends on how deep the game plays and how crazy they are. In my PLO 10k probably isn't enough.
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08-07-2016 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BirdsallSa
Is $6000 enough to play a 1/2 plo game with a negligible risk of ruin if you're the best player in the game?

There would be a 1/2 nlhe game as an option too, but it would not be nearly as good because the worst players from hold em start the Omaha game.


Not even close to enough in most 1/2 PLO games if you hope to play optimally






I'm busy not caring

Lol this guy....STFU Zoltan
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08-07-2016 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BirdsallSa
Is $6000 enough to play a 1/2 plo game with a negligible risk of ruin if you're the best player in the game?

There would be a 1/2 nlhe game as an option too, but it would not be nearly as good because the worst players from hold em start the Omaha game.
Take 2k and shot take obv
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08-07-2016 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by IMA
Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again

/ personal blog lol
Given the immaculate HH's you posted all over HSPLO, this is very shocking
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08-08-2016 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
A good player adapts to the table. A mediocre one only has one style and has trouble in different games.
A good player wants to play in games where he has the highest EV and least amount of variance. I mean, ldo you have to adjust and not be a spewtard against donks. But the poor play from the fish doesn't really make up for the lack of $ on the table and the smaller pot sizes. Also, a lot of these weekend recs aren't even drunken droolers. Some are for sure. But a lot are just average working joes and ladies who play a pretty tight range preflop. This makes it difficult to outplay them post flop because they are not in that many hands. And because "we" have to tighten our range, we don't get to play that many pots either, so we don't get to have tons of confrontations with these inexperienced players, unless we are getting smacked in the face with the deck.

If you are sitting at a table that is composed of 50% short stack fishies and the other half are abc face up nits, you are going to be splitting up the fishes money with the other nits at the table. If the nit stacks a fish, he is going to get up from the table because he is scared to lose his "profit". So there goes all the money. Some of it isn't even due to hit and run, some people do have legitimate places to be. Hell, its a Saturday night after all. But this constant turnover at the table works against a thinking player who is developing reads and can profit the most from the meta-game between players.

Counter this to a full table on a weeknight (hell even Sunday night). If you are sitting in a game where everyone is 200BB's deep, then there is enough money on the table to skim from everyone without you even being noticed as an "action" player. A tight image mixed with a few steals in late position is enough to make 50-100BB's without even having to showdown. None of the regs care that your are stealing small to medium pots because they are constantly playing in so many big pots with the other loose regs. And if it's a true drooler fest where nobody folds, you'll glady nit it up to hit your set since you can win a potential 500BB pot. I can wait for hours to nut mine when I will be rewarded with a monster pot. It's a lot harder on my patience to wait for hours to flop a set only to win a small pot.

It's hilarious because weekends are the only times I see nits getting paid off by the fish when they have an obvious overpair to the board or when they make a set and shove over the fish who is holding top pair and get paid off. It makes me wonder if all these posters who have a hard on for the weekend are these nits I see on who never get any action by any of the regs during the week and scrape by making minimum wage only to see a boost in their win rate from the weekend droolers.

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08-08-2016 , 09:31 AM
I rarely play after 10-11PM, but I have never played in a game where everyone is 200BBs deep. Ever.
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08-08-2016 , 09:49 AM
Happens all the time, almost daily during the graveyard hours. I mean, yes there may be one or two players that lose a pot and are temporarily sitting on a smaller stack, but they are the type of players to either shove preflop light with a shortstack or just top off their stack back to 100BB's. They're not just sitting there nitting it up with a 50BB stack waiting for premiums.
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