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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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07-27-2016 , 11:35 AM

#15801

bmoney

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 830

Quote:

Originally Posted by L00t

It's actually 2.5 months to be precise. And I've been playing almost everyday.

I used to start/stop sessions multiple times in a day sometimes, or play a little of 2/5, hence the 91 sessions.

cool! it is good results! and yes to battle back from that big downswing is most impressive...keep it up!

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07-27-2016 , 02:30 PM

#15802

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Quote:

Originally Posted by YGOchamp

When I was grinding 1/2 my longest 2 month stretch was ~550 hours, so I don't doubt that its real.

Yes, it is a lot. But back then it didnt feel like working at all and was still new and exciting. I can still put in long sessions but get burnt out after a few days and have no drive to just put in these insane 70+hr weeks anymore.

I think balance is important. I put in 35-45 hours a week right now and feel fresh and motivated every time I play. Take random days off all the time to mentally recharge. Seeing the outdoors plenty, working out, hiking etc.

I couldn't imagine playing 70+ hours unless I was in the midst of a 25 BB/hr heater.

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07-27-2016 , 09:15 PM

#15803

Dream Crusher

banned

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 18,786

Quote:

Originally Posted by stlows

Good advice! But i just feel like when the table is good and im still playing good, i dont know why i should leave!!

I just feel like its more important to leave if im feeling too tired and playing poorly like after playing 10hours+ raising all broadways from all position to get action haha or just do stupid move

Most people just consider how good the table is. It's good that you recognize that your own play is the other key factor.

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Originally Posted by crsseyed

The thing I found out (after+6000hrs live play) is that you can play badly, sometimes very badly, and not really realize it till later when you reflect on it from a clean mind.

This is extremely important. Learn to recognize when you are playing less than optimal (either tilty or tired). This is very difficult. It can also be even more difficult to quit a great game.

As for stop losses, some people use them and some people don't. However to say they don't have a purpose is ridiculous. Without stop losses there is no way I could have survived as a full time poker player. Others can, but with my style and my tendencies, I would have blown through all my moneys quick.

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07-27-2016 , 09:38 PM

#15804

cAmmAndo

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,727

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

I think balance is important. I put in 35-45 hours a week right now and feel fresh and motivated every time I play. Take random days off all the time to mentally recharge. Seeing the outdoors plenty, working out, hiking etc.

I couldn't imagine playing 70+ hours unless I was in the midst of a 25 BB/hr heater.

yeah just read his PAHWM's

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07-28-2016 , 09:18 AM

#15805

HitInTheNuts

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 163

Hi all

I am just wondering what winrate a decent online player should expect to make live? If I can beat nl50 online should I be able to beat nl200 live?

Cheers all

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07-28-2016 , 10:12 AM

#15806

johnny_on_the_spot

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 11,608

@HitInTheNuts

You should be easily +EV at 1/2 with a solid winrate, probably > 10bb/hr without much effort

You're probably good at 2/5 too if you can handle having a $500 loss in a hand rather than a $50 one.

Depending how much you beat 50nl for, what casinos you go to, comfort level, blah blah, there's a chance you could beat 5T too

Easiest thing to do is start at 1/2, play it until your comfortable and move up when your roll allows it. Rinse/repeat

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07-28-2016 , 11:06 AM

#15807

PositiveEV

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 456

sub.

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07-28-2016 , 11:34 AM

#15808

cAmmAndo

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,727

Quote:

Originally Posted by HitInTheNuts

Hi all

I am just wondering what winrate a decent online player should expect to make live? If I can beat nl50 online should I be able to beat nl200 live?

Cheers all

Should be no prob assuming you make necessary adjustments which may take a hundred hours or so. More if you are stubborn.

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07-28-2016 , 12:12 PM

#15809

MikeStarr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

Quote:

Originally Posted by HitInTheNuts

Hi all

I am just wondering what winrate a decent online player should expect to make live? If I can beat nl50 online should I be able to beat nl200 live?

Cheers all

If you are smart enough and understand poker well enough to beat $50NL online, you are also smart enough to beat $2/$5 NL live. However, if you play live the same way you play online, you will get killed. Its a totally different game and Ive seen countless young online guys with all the confidence in the world get pummeled playing live and I never see them again.

Take it slow, make the proper adjustments which you should have no problem doing as along as you understand that there ARE adjustments to be made and you will do just fine.

Last edited by MikeStarr; 07-28-2016 at 12:32 PM.

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07-28-2016 , 12:29 PM

#15810

Angrist

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,887

Yup.

If you understand *why* you should take certain lines in certain situations online, you can adapt to the different ranges and player tendencies that are present in a live game and crush. If you've just learned wrote memorization of actions you'll get destroyed.

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07-28-2016 , 12:54 PM

#15811

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by crsseyed

The thing I found out (after+6000hrs live play)

6000hr live giraffe would be awesome (probably setting a record in this thread?).

Gjustsayin',pokepokeG

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07-28-2016 , 12:56 PM

#15812

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

You should be easily +EV at 1/2 with a solid winrate, probably > 10bb/hr without much effort

I know this magic number gets tossed around a lot, but I actually don't see *that* many significant hour giraffes here with this result.

Gnotsayin'it'snotpossible,justsayin'it'snotnecessa rily"withoutmucheffort"G

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07-28-2016 , 01:00 PM

#15813

Angrist

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,887

$20/hr is way too much to hope for when we're talking about a new player over a significant sample.

I would also like to see a 6k hour plot.

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07-28-2016 , 01:06 PM

#15814

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

$20/hr over long period in 1/2 is impossible for the simple fact that no one that good would remain at that stake.

Casual player that burns few hours a week can probably maintain that rate, but it would take a very special player pool for anyone to want to mingle in a 1/2 game over long extended period of time, even if it is profitable.

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07-28-2016 , 01:06 PM

#15815

stlows

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 224

Im at 5$/hr over 110 hours! Still learning!

+1 for the 6k hours graph !

Inb4: " im not keeping track of my results, im just a casual player who played 6000hours"

Thug life

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07-28-2016 , 01:28 PM

#15816

Dream Crusher

banned

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 18,786

Quote:

Originally Posted by HitInTheNuts

If I can beat nl50 online should I be able to beat nl200 live?

Not necessarily. You will need to make adjustments. After Black Friday many online players failed to make the necessary adjustments to successfully transition to the live game. From a technical standpoint you will be far superior than your opponents (which could make you overconfident). Still you won't understand all the nuances of live play to play optimally right off the bat.

The biggest struggle that I think most online players have with live is that it's extremely S L O W..ie around 25 hands an hour. It's difficult to stay disciplined waiting for hands while the mouthbreathers are playing so many hands.

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07-28-2016 , 01:29 PM

#15817

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Not everyone has higher stake options. And some people actually enjoy playing LLSNL, and winning at that clip is probably just an extra bonus.

Still, 10bb/hr "without much effort" paints too rosy a picture.

GimoG

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07-28-2016 , 01:30 PM

#15818

Dream Crusher

banned

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 18,786

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

$20/hr over long period in 1/2 is impossible for the simple fact that no one that good would remain at that stake.

Already proven wrong in this thread. wj94

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07-28-2016 , 01:33 PM

#15819

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

The biggest struggle that I think most online players have with live is that it's extremely S L O W..ie around 25 hands an hour. It's difficult to stay disciplined waiting for hands while the mouthbreathers are playing so many hands.

And you also have to be able to deal with the maddening fact that as the game becomes even better the number of hands per hour plummets.

GcluelesshandsperhournoobG

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07-28-2016 , 02:10 PM

#15820

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

Already proven wrong in this thread. wj94

Dude lives in Vegas and rather play 1/2.

That alone makes no sense, but hey, you believe what you want.

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07-28-2016 , 02:56 PM

#15821

spikeraw22

The Situation

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 8,741

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

You callin me insignificant old man?

I now have 7 buy ins.

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07-28-2016 , 04:24 PM

#15822

iraisetoomuch

banned

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 37,476

Doesn't mpethy only play 1/2 still?
He must have cranked out a huge number of hours at this point.

He's been posting here since long before my time and my predecessor's time if I recall right.

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07-28-2016 , 04:35 PM

#15823

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

Doesn't mpethy only play 1/2 still?
He must have cranked out a huge number of hours at this point.

He's been posting here since long before my time and my predecessor's time if I recall right.

Yeah, I'm sure M's hours giraffe would be impressive and would give a pretty good example of different stretches one can go thru. Hope he's doing alright. If I recall, last time he came to the chat thread he mentioned how he'd been temp banned from his room.

Gmoremassivehoursgiraffesneededinthisthread,imoG

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07-28-2016 , 07:40 PM

#15824

Dream Crusher

banned

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 18,786

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Dude lives in Vegas and rather play 1/2.

That alone makes no sense, but hey, you believe what you want.

Well he's crushing 1/2 and I believe it may have had something to do with commute to Red Rock being more convenient for him. Anyways, I've played with him and he's a very good player. I've also played with his buddy who is a 2/5 reg in Vegas and he's very good as well.