Obviously. Any hand thats all in before the river. I also have to subtract when I get it in while ahead and win, unless he was drawing dead.

I dont know why people think this is a bad thing. How is it different than running it twice to lower variance? My way just lowers variance on paper. I keep track of my win rate and "adjusted win rate" which at some point should be very close to the same number, although the way its going it could take one hell of a long time. Im running a full $12/hr below EV over 600 hrs.

I probably do have a mental leak. I just admitted that, but this helps me from letting it spill over and become and actual leak that costs me real money.

If I was Johnny and had just lost 19 out of 20 sessions I would be doing everything I could to find out why. He might be playing like garbage or he might be getting the worst luck in history...or both. In the old days we could look back at Pokertracker and at least get some idea. Its much tougher now.

You could still do that. Just tabulate your hands in a txt file with the proper formatting and import them into PT4 or HEM.

As far as I know, the only ones in my games who habitually calculate their AllinEV are the spots who are donating to the table. I don'T know any good live pros playing 5/10 NL or higher who are calculating AllinEV or other such nonsense.

Awesome, thanks for posting Duke!

ETA: Also, awesome thoughts on deepstack play. I know as a rec player I've fairly recently simply admitted to myself "I suck at deepstack" and realize where my wheelhouse is (and deepstack ain't it).

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Plus do you count the times when you dodged someone else's OESD, flush draws, or hitting your own draws?

Or simply win with a pair at SD?

You probably don't, because most people count those as "skills" not variance.

Yeah, +1.

This has always reminded me a bit of M back when he posted a lot in the chat thread, always seemingly tracking how he was running EVwise (sorry M, all due respect bud). And even moreso after his COM from last year regarding tracking hands. On the one hand, I found the tracking hands thing (if even for a lol sample size) did clarify a couple of things for me (that AA/KK make up a huge amount of my profit, and that perhaps my preflop strategy in LP with speculative hands is suspect). But it also started a bad habit of where I've kinda mentally taken note of how I'm running for a session (haven't got my fair share of big pairs, haven't flopped my fair of sets, etc.) which of course is meaningless. I don't feel it distracts me to any great extent, as I still mainly just focus on the hands I **** up, but I don't believe it really helps either.

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Sheesh, all these mental jerking offs reminded me that I didn't win a single $1500 - $2000 pots in my last session, and there were at least a handful of them.

All I remember was that I lost a $3500 pot.

God, it's so unfair!

Then I realized that I am even for the month.

AIEV is not the only source of variance nor is it even close to the largest contributor to variance. Tracking it gives you one piece to a 500 piece puzzle.

Very nice results duke

AIEV graphs or GTFO.

LOL

High vs non-high breakdown please.

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yeah this...variance comes in upteen forms and you choose to track 1 of them t hat really isn't that important

I think the edge is still there and just as big as it was. During my sessions I still saw the same mistakes, made the same reads as normal, etc., but I found myself getting involved in all-in pots (made hand vs. draw) at a much higher frequency, like 2-3x per session (right tail event), and losing pretty much every single one (left tail event). It's comical to me at this point but I've lost about 24/25 all-in pots during this time ranging from 2:1 to 4:1 favorites.

Thanks. Since I've cut out the 1 or 2 BI shot taking on soft nights the BR has been growing quickly again. I think my game requires having 3-4 BI at my disposal so playing with less than that is just handicapping myself and prolonging this agonizing process.

Certainly nothing wrong with tracking all in ev, its never gonna be the difference between you winning at poker and losing at poker. But its just not particularly useful. Its the same as if you only tracked your % of flopped sets and win% in those pots, and i might argue the latter has more to do with how you ran. But as bip said, theyre just single pieces of a large puzzle that youll never even begin to solve.

If tracking your all in EV does nothing more than help you avoid tilt, I'd say for you it is useful. None of the other arguments (pro or con) really matters.





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I like calling for setups every hour otherwise I will go on tilt...

Whatever works for you.

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Great point.

However, if thinking you are running bad, it could affect your willingness to play draws because "god, I haven't hit a draw in a long time."

I usually go all in with draws for max FE. No variance that way.

Can I ask for some tax advice concerning tourneys? In 2014, I took 2nd in the WSOP daily deepstack at the Rio but my friend and I had a deal to split the profits. I actually forgot about it and didn't file it last year so now IRS sent me paperwork stating that I owe for this win. My friend said that he will take responsibility for half the cost but how do I split this win and send him a tax form for half the earnings? I bought a piece of a player in the past and when he cashed big in the main, I received tax paperwork for my share and wanted to do the same. Thanks in advance.

Time to quit your soul crushing job and turn pro?

umpteen

Move to Costa Rica imo

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I think you need to 1099 him but wtfdik? Go see a gambling tax accountant... Seriously.