right winning at poker is easy. every place I grind is littered with 10-30h winners who just stare at their ipad and play 10 hand combos. that extra 20 is a world of difference and very few people are really taking that much money out of the games every day. prob under 500 in the world.

Bah...I guess I have to explain it.

If you have never been a winning player, winning would seem impossible.

If you have never come close to crushing the game, 10bb/hr would seem impossible.

okay I GUESS I'll explain

if you spend all your time making no sense on the internet, making sense would seem impossible

if you spend all your time just trying to upset people, actually contributing would be impossible


DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW YOU SIMPLETON

I don't expect you to understand. lol

Shats fired

I agree that 10BB/hr winners are scarce, but are you you saying that you think there are under 500 $2/$5 players in the world who win $50/hr?

Yeah I'd lay his bet with a pool of "pros" but that last statement is... Shall we say moronic. IMO.

I'll assume he's talking $5 bb games only.


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Anyone with large sample care to share win rate differences between 1/2 and 1/3?

I've had well over 10bb/hr at 1/2 over what is a decent sample for a serious weekend warrior with a real job.

Decided to switch to the other casino in my area for a bit to see which offers me more value.

Yes I know l, lol sample size etc. I'm sure my 1/3 win rate is not sustainable so please comments about that aren't necessary....

So far after 77 hours I'm at a little over $68/hour.

The 1/2 is 300 cap permitting $5 utg straddle.

1/3 is 300 cap with Mississippi straddle up to 15.

Casinos are about 20 minutes apart so likely similar demographics and large overlap of player pools.

From my small sample, I think the combination of 50% bigger BB and Mississippi straddle is making the 1/3 play a lot bigger than the 1/2. After getting familiar with players over a few orbits I either straddle to 6 100% of time or never depending on my image, table dynamics and average stack depth.

Thoughts?

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Zippy I'm in the same boat (in the same casinos) and I don't have a big enough 1/3 sample to say yet, but playing prime hours yeah that 1/3 game seems amazing and makes it really hard to take the 1/2 at the other place seriously after.

One thing I've come to grips with lately is that the blinds are somewhat meaningless when it comes to win rate, especially when discussing differences between 1/2 and 1/3. You'll want to pay more attention to other factors like how big or how deep the game plays.

Example: I have a 1/3 game in my area but it plays as small as (or smaller than) average 1/2 games anywhere else. High rake, tons of people buying in for the min, very very few buying in for the max, nobody topping up, etc.

Above is correct. You'll get a much bigger win rate in a 1/2 game that plays 200bb deep than in a 1/3 game that plays 100bb deep. If one game has more action than the other, that's where you want to go. Blinds don't matter much in those games because you can make it $18 PFR and get the same number of callers regardless.

Bigger BI definitely makes bigger game and higher profit.

Higher winrate available at the 1-3 game, but it's starting to balance out as more and more 2-5 regs and semipros have been switching to or sampling the 1-3 game.

ETA: while they have the same max buy in, average stack depth is larger in the 1-3 game
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The Venetian runs 4/8 HK and 8/16 HK which are super soft and Tampa Hard Rock runs similar games that are super soft as well. I would prefer to play this game instead of 1/2 if the hourly was similar -- lower variance.

limit games are a lot more fun for everyone imo. would be much better if there was a bigger push to play low-mid stakes limit preferably mixed games.

they play loose, people tend to have more fun and theres enough variance to keep the losing players coming back

meh I enjoy mixed games a lot and played a ton low/mid limit mixed back in the day but I would say the limit low stakes games 4/8 up to 10/20 I guess end up attracting deplorably unpleasant people.

There are some at mid stakes too for sure but it seems worse for some reason at 10/20 and below. I used to play a ton of 10/20 w/ HK O8 and some of those people were the worst of the worst

i havent put in a bunch of hours in limit games but generally they is WAY more table talk, joking, drinking compared to a dead silent 1/2nl pro grinder wannabe game.

lol im not saying i would have a beer or dinner with anyone playing idk 6-12 with a full kill off the felt, just pointing out that they are more enjoyable than a typical low stakes nl game filled with aspiring pros or we

This might heavily depend on where you are.

At the Borgata, it is a running joke that if the main 10/20 limit table in the back room (think it is 10/20, might be 20/40, Borg regs will probably know what I'm talking about) goes a half hour without a fight between multiple players or the floor being called over for some stupid technicality followed by a loud verbal argument there are probably pigs flying through the casino as well.

In my area 1/2 is definitly the rec game of choice. Tons of players drinking and dicking around after partying etc. The limit games I see are mostly the same people bitching about the same old problems every week.

However I do agree that limit is a much more friendly game in and of itself since the format is not as cut throat, and is probably better for the long term health/recreational aspect of poker. Maybe once the depressed/crotchety old Taj regs move on from the game there will be a renaissance.

Where do you play that the low limit players are, well, human?

Tbh, I've seen some exceptions where there is a low limit table with a good vibe, but not the norm.

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I actually think the lower the limit you go the more enjoyable the company is.

Disclaimer: Have never sat +10/25

Haha think it's the exact opposite






Lol this guy....STFU Zoltan

Would you agree with me if I said that the alcohol to cupholder ratio and rec to pro ratio is much higher in lower limit games?

In general yes probably. But the bitching about losing 52/48 "flips" and general whining is worse at 1/2, 2/5






Lol this guy....STFU Zoltan

Way way better company at higher stake non Vegas games