People who can't beat the game may well say that. But it doesn't mean it's not true also.

DGAF made a solid post in mid stakes about this last month.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...php?p=49378362

Yeh win % in high 70's seems absurd to me. Then again that stat is probably meaningless in terms of projecting winrate. I guess certain styles could obtain that over long samples idk. I'm just under 1200 hrs and no where near that. I'd imagine if I was my winrate would be asinine. But after studying my numbers I came to the conclusion play more 5/10 OBV. #whatsamplesize



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Oh right here.

If I win 78% of my sessions and maintain my average win per session, my WR would be god-like.

Of course win % is meaningless. It's so arbitrary. When people spout off bragging they have a high win % I chuckle a little inside because it means they really don't get it

It's kind of like a person saying a pitcher is a bad pitcher solely based off their win/loss record

Idc enough to read back through the thread but is the claim that 78% winning sessions (which means nothing) achievable because it happened over 475 hours?

In most spots, every winner is going to play a TAG game. You can't consistently bluff your way into pots and consistently put pressure on your opponents in every situation. I think however the true crushers can pick and choose the correct spots to LAG it up whereas the TAGs might not be able to or might not want to take the LAG line for fear of higher variance.

The only times that I have seen players play a consistent LAG style and walk away winners have been when they were running hot. They usually win a few pots to start, get a big ego, and then crash and burn quite miserably when even the fish start to catch onto their gimmick.

Lol!?!

Games where wr of 10bb/hr are attainable are generally very loose and showdown happy. A person needs winning hands at showdown in order to realize his ev. Yeah there are deep games where the wr is attainable and showdown matter less but it's still very very significant to a winners bottom line.

If you run bad in the all in spots (again where most people get their crazy high wr from) you aren't going to be making anywhere near 10bb/hr imo

No. Its not $70. Its about $50.

Edit...sorry I though you meant my hourly. Yes, my session win % is high 70's, but I normally dont have any huge winning sessions. The most Ive won in any session out of those 100 sessions is $1296. The most Ive lost is $1250

I agree with that. I'm just saying that 10BBs/hr is reachable while not running hot or cold. Just running normal.

Well if every poker player was paying taxes according to the IRS's rules, whining about IRS insanity would be the 2nd most common BBV, trailing only the time they underbet AA. As nobody talks about it, and everyone gives me a strange look whenever I mention "taxes," it suggests that record keeping is not on the minds of 99% of players.

How much is my IRS refund gonna be when I tell them I lost $37k last year? Is that not how it works?

Don't lie, you care!

Ya, he's basically saying that 10bb/hr is not the ceiling because he did that making $3437342 worth of mistakes in 475 hours.

People in a heater never acknowledge it; to them, it's just all skills.

And yet when the opposite is taking place, it's always variance.

I never said winning 78% of sessions is sustainable or that it means anything in and of itself. I just posted my stats. Anyone can interpret them however they like. Ive won 10 out of 11 sessions since posting that.

Im actually surprised more people dont have higher winning percentages than they do considering that most people seem to play much longer sessions than I do. If you are a winning player, the longer your sessions are the higher your winning % should be. But again, it doesnt matter other than it feels better leaving the casino after having won that day than it does after losing.

And I'm saying youre out of your mind if you think someone can make $50/hr running even at 2/5 unless they are playing in insanely awesome games

Why? Because you cant? There are quite a few people here who have posted win rates in that vicinity.

I'm sorry are you basing this whole thing on that 475 hour sample or is there more that I am missing?

But doesn't this happen every 25 pages itt or so?

Most 2/5 games are at least somewhat awesome...

Yep I was the guy 50 pages ago before I experienced my first doom switch around the 1200 hour mark.

What I or anyone else is capable of is irrelevant imo. I mean ffs I'm sure if I ran hot enough I could get $100/hr wr at a 2/5 game over 1500+ hours. What is relevant is having a realistic expectation of your hourly based on the average player pool you play in. $50/hr is not realistic imo unless you travel all over or live in very expensive places.

I can think of maybe 3 posters I know that make roughly $50/hr playing 2/5 with some 5/10. Tbh they aren't world class players / aren't too different in play styles / methodology from other tags grinding it out for way way less. The number of abc tags (and let's be real here they do nothing more than play a great abc / technical game) averaging $50hr over a huge sample is almost null and can be attributed to lol live poker variance.

It is very possible to achieve $50+/hr in certain locale, and possible in even lesser popular locales, but the volume might be limited if the goal is to maintain that WR.

They probably make far less than you think.

There are very few good players out there with ability to grind out a strong WR, even fewer with mental toughness to maintain it longer than few months.

over 9k hours at 2/5 since bf....still must be on that sick heater since im still well over 50 bux per hour. I am waiting for the bottom to fall out.

1 out of probably 1000. Good job for having the skill set and the run good. Also a big lol considering your wr 9+ thousand hours ago was probably huge which does wonders for your average numbers. If you think 50hr will be viable in 5-10 years time idk what to say.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but you had to move locals i.e. a completely different state to chase the loose money. Sick life bro. Bottom will fall out unless you pick up your life yet again and move or switch to other games. I do not envy you.

You should be focusing on improving your poker skills, not here hating.

I am already a great player, so I can afford to spare some time.