The questions aren't flawed...however if u are not in the KC market, any responses to my questions are extremely flawed.

Thank u ...finally some substance.

If the questions you pose aren't relevant to 99% of the posters in a thread, they're flawed.

I figured someone who has been posting since 2008 knows where brick and mortar forum is, so I simply said wrong forum.

+1

Assuming a "correct" open of 3bb...

...standard open at live 1/2 is 5-8bb. This means a 100bb stack is effectively a 40-70bb stack.

At 2/5, standard open is 4-6bb, changing the 100bb buyin to 60-80bb.

IMO, if your standard BI is $300, then you're better off sitting at 2/5 instead of 1/2.

My curiosity was about winrates. I thought this was the bankroll and winrate thread. RP, I will say in the 130 something pages that I read of this thread, I saw value in a lot of what u said so thank u for ur contribution.

Not true...don't listen to him.

My fan club meets in another read. PM me if you want details.

Kill Phil style play.

Good practice for tournament shorstack play.

I used to prefer buying in a little short and 'earning my way' into a full buyin. But as of late I'm more comfortable with full buyin and topping off below 75-50 bb. People respect your bets more when you're full, and I don't like the feeling of 'confinement' I get when short.

Just gotta be careful calling big bets when you're covered.

But switching tables, games, card rooms when up big isn't a bad idea.

This gets compounded by the fact flops go 4+ ways.

Cbetting a "standard" amount must be much more profitable live than online.

You would think; but then, he's only posted 174 times in the 7 years & 5 months he's been a member. That pales in comparison to some of us who have averaged 342.72 posts per month over the last 36 months. Not all of us are on the sidelines as often as others, posting in 2+2, while we're in between bankrolls

Some of us can do things effortlessly.

1. No way you read the entire thread

2. Define 'good'

3. You don't think you should go to the home forum for your KC casino?

fyp

1. I did...every post

2. "Good" was a bad choice of a word...I was just hoping to get some winrate ideas from the winning players in the KC area.

3.good point...the reason I picked this thread is because it is the one I have been reading for the last 2-3 weeks and i have read people commenting on specific casinos/markets so I was curious if anyone in the thread was from the KC area and could answer my question.

I just started playing live (100 hours or so) ...and I am just starting to read threads on live poker...in my ignorance I didn't even know a KC forum existed before my original post.

Don't sweat it. I don't know why ppl have chips on their shoulders over this stuff. I get the point is to keep threads clean and on point, but what results is thread derailment like this over the last couple of pages.

Hopefully the KC thread has some answers for u

I really think the winrate stuff can be distracting, particularly as a method of 'keeping score' to see how good you think you are, when you're just starting out. Unless you're a full time player logging 1600 hours plus a year, you're really never going to get too close to what your 'real' rate is and you can end up deluding yourself one way or the other.

I've had a 130 hour stretch of over 100 an hour and 200 hour break even or slight losing streaks. Poker is hard enough without constantly thinking about what you 'should' be winning and comparing it to others who may or may not be being truthful

Just concentrate on making good decisions, analysing your play after each session and getting into the discipline of thinking with structure during your hands and observing the table. Everything else will fall out of that

Wisdom from an OMC.

I need some input. Last night at my local 2/5 game I caught up with a buddy, well he's just a 40-something fella I'm chummy with at the table. Decent guy who doesn't seem to have a reason to bull****.
We were talking about our winrates over our lifetime, he has >1000 hrs & I have 300.

Now, basically, he told me that his average hourly rate is $45....At 2/5...Over those 1000+ hrs. First words out of my mouth were "bull****." We were talking quietly between us so he had no reason to be pulling my leg in front of the others.

The only thing he does differently to me was he plays a short-stack strategy, 2x$200 bullets (max buy in is $400 here), plays very loose at the start, then tightens up when he's deep.

Please tell me, is this bull****? Do any of you have >$40/hr rates at 2/5, over at least 500 hours?

Also: He said he thought $45/hr was LOW. I asked him why he doesn't grind full time then, and he explained how when he grinded years ago, he played scared, but when it's for fun, he plays well/profitable.

That's only 8bb/hr. There are plenty of reports of people crushing $1/2 for more than that.

If the market is good and the $2/5 game is splashy I don't see why that win rate would be out of reach. Especially if you're playing peak times.

His strategy is an interesting one since it can give the perception of being a very loose gambley player early on, which can get him paid big once they get deep. Provided he's adjusting well.

90%+ of players at all casinos I've played at tell me, "bla, bla, bla, my winrate is x", where x is > 0, my first thought is Bull****.

But I would never say it out loud.


Stop.

Tapping.

The.

Glass.

Like the lowest I've seen on twoplustwo for a winning 2/5 player (who played 2/5 as their main game) was ~30-35 an hour. 45 is very much in play, and I've seen a few in the low 50s. I don't know this particular guys game. But 45$ an hour is easily possible at 2/5. Plenty of people make 20 an hour at 1/2 which is less then half the stakes (and you can often buy in deeper at 2/5 than you can at 1/2). And in the places which regularly run multiple tables of 2/5 and almost always have a 5/10 or higher game going (Vegas, AC, Florida, Maryland etc), there is typically not much difference in play between the 1/2 and 2/5 tables.

I'm starting to believe $80-100 an hour is attainable in my local market which regularly sports multiple tables, 200 BB max buyin and a bigger 5-10 or 10-10 game often going.

I started playing live regularly after moving to a place where there is a poker room within 15 min drive. Since then I have about 400 hrs at $54/hr playing $2/$5 I know I know......BULL**** right?